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#41 Posted : 01 April 2009 07:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By GaryC40
I'm with you on on this Clairel - the comparison given to the Wishaw outbreak of ecoli is just a tad out of context here. There is a huge difference to the 'over sanitised argument' and what happened with Barrs the butcher / local authority fiasco at wishaw. (cant recall pets being an issue either)

Realistically in general, its probably not appropriate to start taking pets to work, however i suppose it depends on the workplace conditions. As Ive said before if there is no significant risk and conditions and employer policy allows, then why not?

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#42 Posted : 01 April 2009 09:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Haggis JM
I'm with you on this one ClaireL, fully agree that many areas of life are 'oversanitised'.

As I mentioned earlier guide dogs, hearing dogs, assistance dogs are all allowed into shops, supermarkets, cafes etc and I've never heard of any incidents arising from them or calls for them to be barred.

I was in the Lake District recently and it was so nice to be able to take the dog into the B&B, shops and pub. (5 dogs in the pub, not a problem)

Daftest situation I came across was a pub which only allowed dogs in the beer garden - but you had to walk through the bar to get there!?! Never understood the 'hygeine' logic behind that one.

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#43 Posted : 01 April 2009 09:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Passmore
OK -I think this thread has run its course. My comments on Wishaw was in response to the seemingly relaxed attitude to hygiene by some contributors to this thread - I was merely highlighting the implications of such a cavalier attitude - particularly where food is concerned and the catastrophic consequences of ignoring such a potential threat to health or indeed life.

Back to the topic - let me use this scenario -

Imagine I am a Director of a company providing food grade products to a large supermarket chain. My company will be audited (ISO, BRC etc) on my standard of hygiene in my premises. I will also have stringent audits from my customer (supermarket).

I am looking for a company to launder my employees overalls etc and I decide to give the company which May Warley works for a try and I arrange a meeting with the CEO of that company with the intention of considering his business to service my laundry requirements.

I enter his office and notice a dog sitting in the corner - not a good start. How can he convince me of his hygiene standards with a mutt lounging in the office? Although the original posting stated it was the Production Manager introduced the dog to the workplace, this is even more worrying as he will potentially have more direct contact with the laundry.

I would not compromise my business by offering this company the contract.

I suspect many of the people on this post have never worked in an environment where hygiene in a food grade production area is critical to achieve the stringent requirements of supermarkets for example.

I have made my point and I still stand by my belief that a dog should not be brought into the workplace and despite references to French and Swiss being more relaxed with such an attitude, as I posted earlier, we have hygiene regulations and I believe better standards here in the UK than mainland Europe - despite supposedly being unified.

DP
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#44 Posted : 01 April 2009 14:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By GaryC40
Ok David,

I submit to your experience and knowledge of canine catastrophes in the workplace.

Hazard Animal Canine Control Pooch

:)
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#45 Posted : 01 April 2009 14:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By May Warley
Hi David, thanks a lot for your comment.

I don't have a pet, if I ever plan to have one, it will definitely be a cute little dog but I don't plan to bring it to work.

Somehow, in certain respects, pets and work don't go hand in hand and I suppose this is one of the examples.

And I would like also like to thank all for your inputs/feedbacks.

Thanks
May
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#46 Posted : 01 April 2009 15:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jack
"Cricky people get worked up over these things! Theres far bigger problems than my bosses dog - COSHH, DSEAR, IRR to name a few".

But at least you found time to make 6 posts on such a trivial topic.
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#47 Posted : 01 April 2009 16:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Garry Mcglaid
I only counted 5,

Dogs breaking wind,

That alone should ban them from the workplace
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#48 Posted : 01 April 2009 16:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jack
you're probably right.

--- and humping your leg
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#49 Posted : 01 April 2009 16:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Passmore
May

Seems you opened a can of worms!!!(oh crikey -not from the dogs I hope), but I am sure you can sift the valid arguments from the sarcastic and unhelpful contributors.

My postings are based on requirements and experience of hygiene audit requirements within a food grade production environment and the risk of contamination from other areas within the building.

Of course, if an office that contains a mangy mutt is a Portakabin within the confines of a scrap yard for example, that would obviously be different in respect of potential contamination of food/packaging etc.

Anyway, before I go 'barking' mad as I 'doggedly' make my 'point'er', I will discontinue my postings in case I get 'hounded' off this thread. I will 'retriever' my thoughts and promise not to lose my 'distemper'.

DP
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#50 Posted : 01 April 2009 18:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By GaryC40
Moderator Jane please put this thread down!
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#51 Posted : 01 April 2009 20:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Altoft
Finally a recognition that context is important in establishing risk from dogs. My dog is always with me in the office but never out at a clients and every morning my ducks tap on the door for their elevenses (I have an office in my own grounds). My son takes his dog to work and to most of his clients premises and his boss rides his horse to work. Some of their staff also have dogs and horses at work but then again they are all vets or vet nurses and work in a equine hospital.
Context is everything in establishing risk.
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