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#1 Posted : 27 March 2009 15:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By shaun7474
We have a number of sub contractors who carry out installation work (Coldrooms and Refrigerated cabinets) on construction and refurbishment sites. A good number of these are "two man bands". Does anyone know of a resource that I could suggest they use that would offer help and advice that would be proportionate to the size of their business and comply with the competence criteria outlined in the CDM regs Appendix 4. Is anyone grappling with a similar situation to this?

Thanks for your help.
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#2 Posted : 27 March 2009 15:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
Shaun

Reg 4 does not stipulate any method of assessing competency of contractors. Therefore I suggest it should be proportionate to the risk. Small 'one man band' type contractors could be members of an appropriate industry association, have suitable PLI, CSCS card, recommendations from other clients and then placed on your approved contractor list. These or any combination of would suffice in my opinion for low risk activities.

Ray
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#3 Posted : 28 March 2009 19:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By stephen smith
HI Shaun7474

I would ensure that you do a 360 on these guys as they always fall through the net. the size of the company doesn't matter and all the areas Raymond has specified would work, but I would also add that the standard of there risk assessments and method statements are a good marker, I would also ask about previous accidents, incidents, improvement and prohibition notices

regard stephen
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#4 Posted : 28 March 2009 23:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
I know that CHAS offers a proportionate pre-qual route for the 5 employees contractor.
CHAS meets CDM ACoP Appendix requirements.
Other commercially available Pre-qual schemes may offer similar.
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#5 Posted : 29 March 2009 23:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Whoops! That should read 5 employees.
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#6 Posted : 29 March 2009 23:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Help! this Forum isn't displaying special characters! (or at least the "less than" character).
my initial post then, should have read less than 5 employees.
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#7 Posted : 30 March 2009 12:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Davelfc
Ron,


CHAS only meets Stage 1 of the PQQ process

Dave
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#8 Posted : 30 March 2009 12:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Liz Maw
Hi there

We use similar electrical contractors and we ask for ECS cards - as a lot of sites require these anyway, plus evidence of some type of electrical qualifications e.g. City & Guilds certificates plus details of any other safety training they have attended which commonly might include IPAF or PASMA.

As we have only just acheived CHAS accreditation ourselves this is not something I have looked at for our sub-contractors, but might be something we could try and implement in the futre. For our company this would have to be a very supported process as some of our contractors would be completely lost trying to complete the simplified version of the form.

It's on my list, but not near the top at the moment!
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#9 Posted : 30 March 2009 23:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Davelfc: Stage 1 IS the pre-qual stage?
Shaun has to start somewhere.
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