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Posted By Leon Zacharow Due to the current financial climate our IT department have been tasked to make savings in the current financial year. One of the ways they are looking at is to re-distribute and re-use returned Blackberry devices rather than discard them and buy new. One of the Directors has refused to accept this due to the potential infection risk. Whilst we see this as low risk and will ensure that the devices have been thoroughly wiped down with the necessary cleaners and sanitisers, I was wondering what other forum members do in their companies.
I would also be interested to know if anyone knows of any research that has been undertaken on this matter.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Leon
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Posted By Adam Worth "One of the Directors has refused to accept this due to the potential infection risk."
I'm not going to give a useful response I'm afraid - just want to know how this person copes with
a) Money b) Toilet doors c) Hospitals e) Food prepared by others f) Publice transport (I guess they are above that tho?)
:) The list goes on..
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Posted By Chris Packham To add to Adam's posting, I assume that your Director does not fly. Studies have shown high levels of bacteria in the recirculated air in aeroplanes. Or does he sit there with a face mask on? (If so how does he drink the champagne?)
Chris
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Posted By Merv Newman Just once, in 25 years (somewhere around 1980) our management sent around the receptionist to wipe down all telephone receivers. No-one had ever caught or reported anything. Just a scare.
An American lent me his blackberry to talk to a colleague. Rubbed it against his shirt to get rid of superficial sweat/saliva. I didn't catch anything.
Doesn't anyone on here pass around bottles of beer or spliffs ?
If said manager doesn't want a second hand BB then tough on him (or her) Buy your own and charge it.
Merv
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Posted By DM23 The Director simply wants his 'new' Blackberry!!!! He obviously feels aggrieved that he is having to stoop to such low levels as "a second hand phone" I find it quite amusing actually.
D
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Posted By Anthony Edwards Totally agree with the above posts. Get some disinfecting wipes give them to him and let him clean it so he is aware of how clean it is!
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Posted By Rodger Alan Ker One would presume that someone of his exalted status would have PA to carry out such minor tasks for him.
(If times are getting so tough that second hand blackberries are being considered, perhaps suggest that he may wish to dispense with his PA and do other things for himself)
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Posted By Merv Newman Rodger,
"do other things for himself"
Sorry, it's not Friday.
But really, is this not the kind of "bonus" ie "non-essential to the business" kind of thing that management should be sparing themselves ?
Now, if anyone could prove to me that ownership and use of a BB was really essential to H&S of employees (or even of the business) then I wouldn't be that much against 'em.
Unless you are in high (micro) finance, the fact that you get/reply to your e-mail on the way to work (6am to 8am) before you get there (9am) is not really earth shattering. Is it ?
I have a bog standard Nokia. No photos. No emails. Calls mostly (except from my Darling wife) arrive while I am on the motorway. They can wait till the next restop.
Those from the DW (see above) often resolve to "what do you fancy tonight ?"
Well, after a week or so solo in a decent hotel, this either comes down to (unmentionable here) or egg and chips.
Forget the eggs. And the chips can be reheated. Later.
This to say that 90% of BB traffic adds nothing to the bottom line.
If he/she don't like it - chuck it. or him/her.
Merv
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Posted By Barry Cooper No wonder health and safety gets bad press. Tried a BB once thought it was rubbish, went back to my reliable Sony Ericsson
Barry
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Posted By Adam Worth Last night I couldn't help but think maybe i was wrong with my post...
Well look what happened in The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy when they got rid of phone cleaners :)
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Posted By SteveD-M Simple solution..
He could buy his own!
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Posted By Phil Rose Give me strength!" - nice try for a new one I think!
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Posted By AMelrose So is he getting a new chair, desk, computer (mouse and keyboard especially), desk phone, pens, paper and whatever else he may use during the day when he's in the office just in case he gets a nasty bug from one of those?
And what about that private toilet cubicle with his name on it {which must include a sink and one of those fancy Dyson super-duper hand drier machines}.
Then there's the company car (must be brand new with no delivery mileage, private plane as can't fly to business meetings with the rest of the population..
Sorry, but he's having a laugh. Give him a couple of antibacterial wet wipes. If he doesn't like it, say he can buy his own.
[I inherited a phone at work...hardly use it and most of the calls are asking if my predessor fancies a game of 5 aside footy on Thursday night...was even asked if I'd consider playing as they were short a few bodies!].
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Posted By David J Jones Does he/she have his/her desk telephone regularly disinfected/cleaned?
Probably not!
Has he/she ever been in another location and been handed a 'phone by another person to talk to that person's caller?
Probably!
Says it all really doesn't it?
I'm with Merv on this one - I see BB's as no more than "toys" (aka status symbols) to so many people. I've also got a Nokia and it does everything I need it to do.
David
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Posted By Wil I always try to remain objective about these things and only come to conclusions I can justify. This chap may in all honesty have a compulsive disorder so I wouldn't jump the gun just yet. There is more than one way for H&S to get a bad name in this world and one sure way is for fellow professionals jumping the gun, making false assumptions and coming up with a less than objective solution or answer to a problem. It is so easy to ride the tide that is in front of you.
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Posted By AMelrose Wil
I think if he had a compulsive disorder it would probably have raised it's head before now (if he's been in the position for some time) but agree, he could have some form of mental illness [anxiety disorder, phobia etc]. Perhaps a quick chat with the gentleman in question (and, if there is an issue, a word with Occ Health) would help?
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Posted By MickN Maybe it's from a new hypoallergenic range they have.
Merv, you need a new phone mate. And a hands free, bluetooth system is what you need, it's liberating.
Mick
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Posted By W P F I got myself a cheap version of the Blackberry, the Nokia E71. Nice phone, stylish, oh and I get all the add ons etc of email included in the price. However my phone is new, but lend it to anyone to make a call (free minutes) or send a text (unlimited texts) and well, I'm still here to tell the tale.
If you IT department want to save some money, why don't they look at e-bay for selling old Blackberry phones? As long as there's a charger etc., they still go for a few bob, and better to have the cash in hand, than a blackberry in pocket (they make awful stains to your trousers if squashed), HA HA.
Cheers
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Posted By SueC Hi Leon
I agreed with most of the other opinions on here that it sounds very like your Director really just wants a new Blackberry rather than one that has been sullied by one of their employees!
The company I previously worked for used to collect all phones/BB's from employees who left or had upgrades (when you got promoted you got a better phone!), and these were then redistributed when necessary, after being cleaned etc. and to my knowledge no one ever succumbed to any harm as a result of having one of these phones.
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Posted By Dave Merchant Evidence is always important in these matters, so I suggest your boss refers to the case in the seminal work by Mr Adams:
"...Interestingly the remaining Golgafrincham population was then wiped out by a disease, contracted via dirty telephones, after they sent their Telephone Sanitiser population away, along with the rest of the useless third of their population, to form a colony on another planet (Earth as it happens)..."
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Posted By joolz040770 Excellent! I thought I was the only one. I work in the public sector and Hygiene complaints are often sent to me as an excuse from staff(senior and junior) to obtain new kit. It is absolutely hilarious. I politely advise them of our Corporate Social Responsibility and that usually works.
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Posted By C. Wright On the other hand he can wait until the end of the summer when he can pick as many blackberries as he wants (or get 1 of his underlings to pick them for him)
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Posted By Crim I don't know what the issues are but I would like one of your second hand blackberries if I can get it onto my orange network. Any chance?
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Posted By Pete48 Clearly none of you have ever been privileged to frequent the ivory towers, gilded halls and mahogany corridors of executive land. Your lack of understanding and compassion for a fellow human being is almost scandalous. If you had frequented such places you would know that the welfare facilities are indeed worthy of a golden key to unlock them and people offer to do things for you and indeed sometimes insist that is they who must do them for you. The personal car arrives to take you wherever or you drive your super exec car straight into the exec garage. Your locker at work is a walk in wardrobe with everything you might need. You are just not exposed to the horrors of everyday humdrum life and have no naturally acquired immunity to common hazards such as those that may attack mere employees. Think then of the fear generated by such a request as using secondhand equipment. My goodness it will be plastic seats in the toilets next! I think you have all missed the significant risk. This may well be a work related stress issue rather than the highlighted infection risk. With apologies for acting in a Friday manner on a Tuesday evening, it's the clocks changing you know, takes me weeks to get back in step.
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