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#1 Posted : 22 April 2009 22:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sharastani http://www.hse.gov.uk/foi/fatalities/2008-9.htm Not sure what this is supposed to achieve.
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#2 Posted : 22 April 2009 22:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By TonyB I think this helps to make the statisitics real. We often quotes figures like 229 fatilities. It makes a really difference when you stop to think that everyone of them had name and age! TonyB
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#3 Posted : 22 April 2009 23:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sharastani That's true Tony. I may post a copy of the list to The Daily Mail.
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#4 Posted : 23 April 2009 11:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Safe System Working in the construction industry as a safety advisor you start to become desensitised to statistics... when you read through the names and the nature it really hits home... well done HSE. Thinking of copying this and posting to our guys in their wage packs.
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#5 Posted : 23 April 2009 12:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuff4blokes This list must be the most valuable tool available to us as safety professionals in convincing doubtful managers and employees that we do crucial work, provided of course we are not spending too much time on hot coffee or how to wriggle out of reporting a RIDDOR! Well done Sharastani for spotting the listing. Not only the Daily Wail but all newspapers and TV producers should be made fully aware of just what this list means.
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#6 Posted : 23 April 2009 12:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By NJS the list of names makes you realise that these are people not just statistics. well done HSE.
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#7 Posted : 23 April 2009 12:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike DF Try sorting it by age to make the message hit home!
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#8 Posted : 23 April 2009 13:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter gotch I am not sure that Coroners and Sheriffs will all be impressed that HSE is undermining their role in determining even the direct causes. P
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#9 Posted : 23 April 2009 15:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Safe System on the younger people (20s) try typing their name into google with speech marks i.e. "Sonny Holland" ... on some you get some interesting info regarding the circumstances... the above example is a prime one.
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#10 Posted : 23 April 2009 15:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi The same webpage:- http://www.hse.gov.uk/foi/fatalities/index.htm informs that, "Following a recommendation made by the Information Commissioner, we decided to extend this policy to include the release of the names of the deceased and additional details on these fatal incidents on our web pages" In the past, names & additional details were not included. The Information Commissioner ruled that the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) must provide the Centre for Corporate Accountability with the names of those who have died in work-related deaths once the opening of the coroners’s inquest has taken place. The decision was made following an appeal by the Centre for Corporate Accountability in February 2006, after HSE had refused to provide the information in its original request in February 2005.
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#11 Posted : 24 April 2009 09:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dean Baker How is the role of the Coroner/Sherrif being undermined Peter? I don't understand the comment.
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#12 Posted : 24 April 2009 09:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By MT Sharastani, I completely agree with TonyB. Often statistics are just numbers to people, but don't you find that when confronted with a list of people's names and ages and the circumstances of their deaths, it has an entirely different impact? I think sending it to some of the gutter press would be a good idea.
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#13 Posted : 24 April 2009 10:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Delwynne I read through this the other day and have to admit I had tears in my eyes by the time I finished. I echo the above comments that it really makes the statistics real.
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#14 Posted : 24 April 2009 10:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi The main thing that has changed is that names are included, otherwise most of the other details were publicly available via the HSE Chief Executives report to the HSE Board meetings (previously the HSC) --refer to Annexe 2, page 9 at:- http://www.hse.gov.uk/ab...oard/2009/250209/b20.pdf However, you would have to track every meeting, whereas the new web page gives a rolling year information with names and few other admin details such as LA area and SIC code
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#15 Posted : 24 April 2009 13:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter gotch Dean. Job of coroner or sheriff (at fatal accident inquiry) to determine cause of death. HSE are perhaps preempting this decision. Regards, Peter
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#16 Posted : 24 April 2009 14:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By H Baker Peter, In theory the Coroners officers can carry out their own investigation but in practice they get this information from the investigation report sent to them by the HSE or police.
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