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#1 Posted : 28 April 2009 15:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Safe System Following on from rants... There are some in our field of work that choose to always highlight the negatives or talk about how bad it is (i'm guilty of this sometimes) so the question begs... Why DID you choose to become a Safety bod? (it may help you remember the love you first had for it!)
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#2 Posted : 28 April 2009 15:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Safe System Me first! Never was interested in Safety until a close family friend was doing something daft on site and fell from height, died upon impact, landed infront of his son working below... then my brother, again working at height, failed to tie a ladder and spent the next 3 months in hospital... a few years later i was offered the chance to get in safety and i thought about the past and hey presto! here i am...
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#3 Posted : 28 April 2009 15:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Elfy Working with general munitions and being an instructor in the use of explosives I always had a very close affinity with safety, so when the chance to broaden my horizons came along I took the opportunity in a shot (no pun intended)
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#4 Posted : 28 April 2009 15:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Allen My father suffers from occupational deafness due to continual exposure to industrial noise. At 85 he’s now almost stone deaf but even 40 years ago when I was a teenager he was very deaf. It did (and does) make life very difficult for him and everyone who knows him. Then when I worked in a stationery factory and a good friend of mine lost his hand in a guillotine accident. Later I went to University and during my study of the industrial revolution learned something of the terrible conditions in the mines and factories of the 18th and 19th centuries, but also that an organization had been set up to bring about improvements – HM Factory Inspectorate. Realising that improvement still needed to be made I decided to apply to join HMFI on graduating. The fiery enthusiasm of youth may have worm off but I still think I can make a difference.
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#5 Posted : 28 April 2009 15:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lee Mac Without trying to be a stick in the mud, this has been done before several times over the yrs, do a wee search there are some rather unusual answers. Lee
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#6 Posted : 28 April 2009 16:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Buzz Lightyear Wanted to be a superhero and save lives - before accidents and occupational diseases happen - sort of a bit like Minority Report. Been doing it for 22 years now so hopefully I have saved a life or two but will never know because it is preventative. So, perhaps it is worth it - in spite of the media and public vitriol towards H&S.
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#7 Posted : 28 April 2009 16:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Haggis JM OK, I'm going to be the odd-one-out here (again!). I didn't choose H&S. I'm an environmental practitioner and unfortunately too many organisations lump this in with H&S (and Quality sometimes). In order to do the job I passionately believe in (E) I had (have) to take on additional roles (H&S; Q; HR). Am I capable? Seem to be, significant improvement in incident results over the past two years. Do I enjoy it? Only marginally more than Quality! Would I give it up for a purely Environmental position? Just watch me...
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#8 Posted : 28 April 2009 16:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Safe System Hi Lee, comment noted however there are new people joining the forum weekly so a fresh topic will hopefully bring up new answers. (will check the old one though! thanks)
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#9 Posted : 28 April 2009 16:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By ScotsAM I was lucky enough to be offered the position out of the blue in a company with 900 employees. It was a real eye opener on the NEBOSH course, especially thinking back to some of the jobs I done when younger such as lining dust covered brake shoes for 8 hours a day without LEV or RPE. Using forklift/pallet combo as a means of working at height. Also working for 8 hours at a repetitive job with a really swollen wrist (caused by repetitive job) - because I was worried my job would be jeapordised if I made it an issue. I'm still here though and wouldn't wish those working conditions on anybody else. Doing H&S is a chance to increase knowledge of employees and workplaces. I'm fully converted and still passionate about H&S and hope it continues to be like this despite the occasional frustrations.
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#10 Posted : 28 April 2009 17:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Altoft 35 years in construction and project management with a real love of getting the job done without hurting people and with luck to meet H&S people who believed that getting the job done was right but who also believed in not getting people hurt whilst doing that job. I met some exceptional H&S people and was never happier than being in their company. Progressively moved into H&S via a MSc degree and starting my own company. Never thought about my own personal "boxes" until then and found H&S (the way I do it anyway) ticks all my own boxes. It ticks all my needs for personal high standards, technical stretch, human contact, interest in law and adding value to the community and making the world a better place for my kids and my grand kids It is my delight to say taht in my opinion the best thing in H&S is the H&S people in it.Anyone who sees it as a job had better leave as it will disappoint you - start seeing it as a vocation and a profession and a community like no other.Enough said R
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#11 Posted : 28 April 2009 20:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By clairel Well I guess I better respond seeing as I seem to be the main villain of the piece at the moment. I didn't choose health and safety as a career. But it's a long story related more to needing work than anything else. I was given the opportunity and I took it. Can't deny that sometimes I wish I had waited for something else but mostly I feel I have learnt more than I ever thought I would and I love to learn new things. One thing it has done is keep me interested. Anyway, I thought the whole ideas of helping to save lives an honourable one and I have investigated enough serious and fatal accidents to still whole heartedly believe that everyone has the right to go home from work alive and well. Unfortunately I think the whole H&S thing has lost it's way. I don't need to say why again - too many incompetent people, insurance companies, money making schemes...blah blah. I'm leaving not because I don't beleive in H&S anymore - I really still do - but becuase I don't believe in how it is being tackled at the moment - it conflicts with my sense of personal responsibility. Chances are I will be moving to a related profession anyway - just not occupational H&S as I do it now. I wish everyone luck and I hope for everyones sake it all gets back on course one day soon.
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#12 Posted : 28 April 2009 21:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete48 Because I just knew it would be full of list collecting people :):) Top 50 reasons for being in safety. Reason number 1. It paid the best money when I started. Reason number 2. It was more attractive than being blamed for absolutely every machine breakdown happening at the worst time for production and this despite the same managers refusing access for maintenance and repair. Preventive maintenance, wash your mouth out!. Reason number 3. A certain very attractive young lady was on the team and she still is on my team xxxx years later. Reason number 4. It was ground breaking stuff back then, a safety manager and not a safety officer. Reason number 5. A chance to study and develop into a new area of management. Reason number 6. Oh dear, age is such a chore, now what was I saying........zzzzzzzzzzzz But what of saving lives and preventing injuries I hear you say? No they were not reasons to choose H&S, I was doing all that as a line manager long before I chose H&S as my focus career.
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#13 Posted : 28 April 2009 22:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eliza Flutterby Compared to many of you good people, I'm just an H&S "baby" :-) but here goes....... Many moons ago I was a student nurse. I had decided to specialise in coronary care and emigrate to Australia. However, I had an accident lifting a patient and suffered a torn ligament in my back. I had to give up my course as I was no longer fit to continue, ended up temporarily homeless and on the dole for months while I recovered. I've had quite a few rubbish jobs over the years, as my lack of qualifications means I've had to take whatever I can to pay the rent. Many of these jobs have had little or no H&S influence (apart from the induction lip service, that is!) I have seen colleagues lose fingers, been permanently scarred by cooking oil, suffer infected cuts and broken bones due to a complete disregard for H&S procedures and training. Three years ago I was asked if I'd take on the role of health & safety advisor for my store. With everything I've experienced (and at the moment I am in agony with recurring RSI!) I jumped at the chance to help improve the lot of my colleagues. At that time, the store was in a mess, fire corridors blocked, no H&S training given, place like a total skip..... I now have a passion for H&S, I want this to be my career for the rest of my working life. Every time I feel disillusioned I think back to how I felt when my career was over at the age of 21, when I was living in a B&B in constant agony. If I can prevent something similar from happening to just one more person then I know that everything has been worth it. That's my tuppence worth anyway!!! Eliza :-)
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#14 Posted : 29 April 2009 08:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By gerry d With over 25 years experience in construction, H&S (and sometimes lack of it!)has been pretty central to most things I have done. I don`t know exactly when or how I developed my affinity with it although I`m guessing it might be something to do with two or three bad things that either happened to me or on my watch. I have not chosen H&S as a job on its own but it is a core part of what I do and I love it. I have been fortunate to meet some wonderful people along the way as well. I work for a good company who really do care about their people. There have been times when apathy and cynicism have threatened to jeopardise my relationship with H&S but I put this down to being exposed to the `negative people` who give H&S a bad name (always other companies & contractors). As I get older I am now considering developing and furthering my career as I do not possess anything more than the IOSH Managing Safely certificate. I have no plans to leave the company I`m with rather give them the benefit of my expertise and enthusiasm. What should be my next step?
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#15 Posted : 29 April 2009 09:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Safe System Good post this. keep it up Gary, I'm thwarting your attempts to hi-jack my post ;) hehe
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#16 Posted : 29 April 2009 09:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Finding out that I had been standing on top of my best friends body for nearly 21 days on June 22nd 1974. Many of us are here because of life changing experiences and have the characteristics that wants to change things for the better. Bob
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#17 Posted : 29 April 2009 12:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim I was retired by fire brigade after 24 years service and went into industry as fire prevention officer. My boss was the Safety Engineer who sent me on a NEBOSH course, my first H & S training apart from all the internal fire training courses I did. My work involved safety audits with the safety officer and a lot of general health and safety rubbed off onto me. After 2 years the Safety Engineer took redundancy and the safety officer was long term sick so I asked the H R Director for the safety Engineer's job. Guess what? I was given the job with new title of Health and Safety Manager, that included safety, fire and security as well. Three jobs for a slight increase in salary. That was 19 years ago - I am now a self employed one man band with just enough work to keep me going.
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#18 Posted : 29 April 2009 18:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Graham Bullough After university I was in my second temporary job in 1976 when I saw a newspaper advert for people to join what was then the fledgling HSE and become factory inspectors through copious training plus on-the-job experience. The job seemed to be a worthwhile one with plenty of variety, challenge and interest, so I applied and got accepted after a preliminary and then a main interview. Also the starting salary of just over £3k at that time seemed very generous compared with the average of £2 to 5k for most jobs for new graduates. When I applied for the job I knew very little about safety and health – or indeed most other aspects of work and work organisations - except that HSE was a new organisation and that its main component the Factory Inspectorate had investigated the Flixborough Disaster which occurred on 1st June 1974. It’s pertinent to mention this date for anyone who might be puzzled by Bob Lewis’s response above. Also, since my teens I’d been fascinated by industrial and mining/quarrying history, and therefore enjoyed studying economic history, with an emphasis on the industrial revolution, as one of my first year subjects at university. Thus I already knew something about when and why the Factory Inspectorate and also the Mines & Quarries Inspectorate were established. After over 10 years with HSE I “changed ships” for various reasons to become an adviser with a sizeable local authority. It is a unitary authority, i.e. providing a full range of council type services, so my work for it has involved a correspondingly wide range of activities with ample variety, challenge and interest, just as the HSE work did. Although each organisation has its share of positives and negatives, just like any organisation in fact, I still think that overall I’ve been fortunate in having a useful career with variety and interest.
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#19 Posted : 29 April 2009 19:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Penfold Worked in a large distribution centre for 20 years as a forklift driver/instructor. H&S was a large part of the job. I was asked to join the H&S team as a risk assessor and really enjoyed it. then went to 12 hour continental shifts and hated it. The only way out, go to college and do NEBOSH NGC. I was told by some in this forum that this did would not get me a full time H&S role. Good job I didn't listen. I'm now 1 year in to a really challenging role which is 75% fire safety (something I knew nothing about outside of the NGC). With a good boss and plenty of support including this forum I have really progressed my career.
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#20 Posted : 30 April 2009 00:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ray Hurst Me - purely by chance. I was getting married and moving to East from South London and I didn’t fancy the journey across town on a daily basis. Stage 1: Saw a job advertised for a clerical assistant –Road Safety in a convenient location nearer to new home. Applied and got the job. Here is where I struck lucky my boss was one of those who enthuse about the role (and with a terrific sense of humour) he was encouraging and took me out on a range of visits, lectures training courses etc. A little later (about a year) a vacancy arose for a road safety officer (same place) I was encouraged to apply for and got it. Then spent the next 8 years enjoying ever minute and honing and enhancing my qualifications and skills under his support and direction. Stage 2 First child (now a full time fire fighter) was born and we needed new larger home. Moved to Essex and found journey into London (before the M11 was completed) very tiring and tedious. After doing this for about 16 months I saw a job advertised in the local paper for a Personnel Assistant (Health and safety) and thought this can’t be that much different to Road Safety (stupid boy).The office was only 10 minutes from home so I “Boned up” on HASWA, OSRPA and FA then applied and got the job; again I struck lucky and had a very supportive employer who encouraged and paid for me to take qualifications in the profession. Then I moved on to a more senior role after 4 years and spent the next 25 years with the same employer. Third time lucky too, I had one of the best bosses possible who guided and encouraged me in the profession and importantly supported me in my various IOSH roles. How did I become involved as a volunteer with IOSH? Well that’s a whole other story. My driving force, although I never thought about it at the outset of my OH&S career was the fact that my father lost both his legs as a result of an accident at work when I was 11 years of age. The memory (often in the early days I believe sub consciously repressed) of the impact that had on us as a family and me as a child was what made and keeps me passionate about what we all do. There have of course been ups and downs as there is in every field of endeavour but generally I have never regretted spending my working life as a safety professional. Interesting to read the various ways in which individuals have become involved whether by “accident” (sorry intentional pun) or design in this profession. Ray Hurst Immediate Past President
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#21 Posted : 30 April 2009 08:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Margia I happened to be in the right place at the right time. I was the administrator for a local authority occupational health unit, and the OHP in charge wanted all the staff to do the NEBOSH Certificate. I passed it, enjoyed it, and went on to do some of the BEBOH (as was) P-Certs and then the NEBOSH Diploma. On a more serious note, I come from a farming background and a relative of mine married a girl also from a farming family. She had 3 brothers, and all of them died in farming-related accidents, two directly through accidents with badly-maintained machinery and the third from a heart attack caused by the shock of seeing his brother killed in front of him.
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#22 Posted : 30 April 2009 09:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By SteveD-M Mmmm set me thinking.. Fell into it..yes I know no fall arrest etc!!. Making improvements as a Site Operations manager in the chemical/pipeline industry. Saw what money I was saving from doing some of the safety stuff. Realised if I wanted to make further improvement I needed to become qualified. Got qualified and hey presto bigger jobs across Europe. (light at the end of the tunnel..no someone with a torch bringing more work...)stayed there for 15 years... Moved into Law as a potential career move..although haven't moved across fully...so foot in both camps..
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#23 Posted : 30 April 2009 09:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By john thos 147 Worked at a comapny as a production operative .This company which is a world wide blue chip company provided a service to most companys in the Uk and probably around the world As time progressed machines failed to work became unbearable to work with etc. We ended up in the situation that when a machine was down even for days at a time that you as an individual owed the company your target . This in turn made you work even harder when the machines were working to regain the lost production. After sometime employees began to develop carpal tunnel syndrome and other RSI's (At one point 25% of the work force had CPS or suspected CPS. It was about this time that we managed to get the Union recognised and i volunteered to be a shop steward this also incorporated being The H&S rep. From then on i attende every course i could get simply to learn as much as i could not to skive. i then began to confront the company about waht they were doung. As you can imagine they went into claims defensibility mode denying everything,. By this time i had learnt a hell of a lot was not liked by the company but i didnt like them so didnt care. I simply became a dog wit a bone the more i learnt the more i could do. It culminated with a two week strike in 1999. over pay and conditions (pay wise we didnt want more we just wanted to keep what we had) Eventually they stopped using the machines and went back to doing the production by hand . sINCE THEN THE rsi I BELIEVE have reduced. I was then sacked in 2003 for gross mis-conduct on a trumped up allegation ( settled before tribunal) Also the company i worked for bearing in mind it wasn't a cold store had us working at and i kid you not up to -5 degrees excluding wind chill factor in the winter months . Not bad for a comapny that had a turnover over at the time of nearly 300million luckily at this stage i had just sat my Neboshh so i decided to make a concentrated efort to get into a H&S position so that i could simply be fair with people and not put them at risk etc. My view has always been since getting this job as a HR and safety adviser is if we hurt you and its our fault you deserve every penny you get.
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#24 Posted : 30 April 2009 10:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Clash i didnt...it chose me...ohhh how it hurts!!!
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#25 Posted : 30 April 2009 15:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer How did I get into health & Safety? Well I suppose it was simp,e. Started work at 16 worked my way up and saw some rather worrying things happen along the way. The chance came up to do something and just went for it. Started learning and still am. What made it important to me was seing a member of staff lying dead after being crushed to death between to railway coaches and the effect it had not only on his wife at the inquest but the affect it had on his work mates and said to myself never again, must try and do something about this, still trying, don't plan to change either.
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#26 Posted : 30 April 2009 15:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adam Worth Whilst working in a Sweet Shop in Devon post travel I was like - 'hmmmm what can I do next' A post to these forums and I found myself drawn into the world of Top Tier COMAH, ending up in the North East. 2 years on I was lucky enough to make my way back to Devon and now work in manufacturing as a Process Safety Engineer (Even tho I'm a Chemist)
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#27 Posted : 30 April 2009 16:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Safe System Interesting to see that a large portion of replies have had some form of emotional pull (i.e. friends, family, colleagues being injured)
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#28 Posted : 01 May 2009 01:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By GaryC40 Eliza, At the risk of sounding unprofessional - you have the prettiest name of any HS professional i have ever come across - or indeed anyone! Note to mod. I trust the odd compliment is permitted! :) Back to the thread. Watched my dad die slowly from angina, lung disease and cancer from 46 years down a pit. The ironic thing is he was born a mere human but died a proud miner. Miss him every day :( GC x
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#29 Posted : 01 May 2009 04:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By ARUN Looking back after spending 15 Yrs. of my life in H&S , i can say that it was by destiny that i joined Post graduate Diploma course in industrial safety 1992-93 after passing Bachelor of Science way back in 1991. First of all it was little bit boring and subject was dry but after couple of years in H&S job i started loving the subject and started searching google for H&S issues wordwide. Then i passed Lead Auditor course for OHSAS 18001 (Occupational Health & Safety Management System lead auditor) from DNV and MSc(Environment) and NEBOSH International General Certficate in OH & Safety,UK. I am still in love with H&S and will continue to be a H&S professional throughout my life. Regards, Arun Joshi Deputy Manager(F&S) CFCL,Kota INDIA
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#30 Posted : 01 May 2009 15:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By wayne purchase i got in to Health and safety by pure accident, got made redundant on the Thursday a friend of a friend told me there was a job going where i am came for an interview explaining that my experience was from being a tutor for a motor training company teaching basic health and safety, i explained this and got the job for being honest and a go getter. i think i have done really well over the past year and a bit!
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#31 Posted : 01 May 2009 15:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gordon T I just wanted to put my paranoia to good use....
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#32 Posted : 01 May 2009 16:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Graham Baskeyfield .....because my only memory of my dear Grandfather was as a five year old - passing him tissues as he lay on his deathbed with chronic lung disease caused by inhaling silica dust in the pottery industry.
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#33 Posted : 03 May 2009 09:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By jervis I got involved through my union as i wasnt happy with what was going on within the workplace!I completed my Tech IOSH and numerous other health and safety training through union training. I am now the local health and safety officer for my union also a full time nurse.
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#34 Posted : 03 May 2009 10:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rod D Spent 22 years in the Army, were dare I say it Safety became Second Nature. Then near the end of my Army Career I ended up on the Tri Service Guardroom Advisory Team. Where we used to go round inspecting Unit Guardrooms and giving them advice to ensure that these were run safely and in the line with The Imprisonment and Detention Rules 1979. And by chance I got an interview for a Safety Managers position at at new Immigration Facility near Heathrow in 2001 , were I spent 2 years. I then went in to consultancy for 4 years to get a broader view and I now work for a West End Based Property Company, where no two days are the same, with some very High Maintenance Tenants. So after 22 years in the Army looking after people the job just continued. Aye Rod D
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#35 Posted : 03 May 2009 14:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By frank5755 I bet most people involved in this profession by accident(including me),in the past,any person who could not find any job ,forced to OHS job,,,,,hope the image become much better now!! Frank
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#36 Posted : 03 May 2009 19:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gus I was asked a similar question during an interview last week - my answer: " Because I believe I can make a difference" I never imagined I would become a 'safety bod' when I was younger, but the opportunity arose and it looked interesting..... and after 12 years it still is!!
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#37 Posted : 05 May 2009 09:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By AMelrose Always liked biology at school (initially wanted to be a vet then microbiologist). Went to Uni to study biology but found micro stuff extremely boring. Ergonomics lecturer much more interesting as talked about accidents and risk perception [my Dad had been a firefighter and was injured at work so third year thesis on firefighting injuries]. Worked in Ergonomics for a number of years then damaged my own back trying to carry two bags up an escalator that wasn't working. Completed accident form at the time but nothing changed. Eventually signed off for 14 weeks as in agony. Got me thinking about H&S in general so did a PG Certificate in H&S Risk Management and applied to IOSH. Redundancies in workplace made me evaluate my position as an Ergonomist so applied for a couple of H&S Adviser positions (by then had CMIOSH plus M.Sc. Ergonomics). Offered two jobs in the public sector and took the one with more money and less hours than I had been working in the private sector. Am still learning (don't we all in this field!) but enjoy it most of the time. Do get frustrated when some of the media blame us for everything and work hard to try and get the message over that H&S doesn't need to be boring or obsessed with long form filling exercises that ultimately often don't help [one of my last jobs as an Ergonomist involved visiting a client site. Sat through a half day safety induction course with exam at end...taken on site by H&S adviser who proceeded to enter a hearing defender area without either putting hearing defenders on himself or offering them to me..no store of them either and no other workers in area wearing them. Mentioned it to the H&S adviser and watched as he went bright red - risk assessment form in the main office but nobody seemed to follow it!]
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