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#1 Posted : 06 May 2009 08:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ronan Hello folks, As with most sites now all of the ones we are currently working on require the mandatory wearing of gloves. I was wondering if anyone could steer me in the right direction of finding a risk assessment for the wearing of fingerless gloves. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Ronan
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#2 Posted : 06 May 2009 09:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By bereznikov Hi Ronan, In what sense wearing gloves - Construction? Chemical? Electrical? Manual handling? Sharps? Biological etc etc bereznikov
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#3 Posted : 06 May 2009 09:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Flic Ronan, I think you are asking an impossible question. Wearing gloves would normally be part of the specification of the safe system of work, and would be part of the output of a risk assessment of a work task. Therefore you need to analyse the work tasks and decide whether wearing fingerless gloves is appropriate to those tasks - or not. Flic
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#4 Posted : 06 May 2009 09:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Philip McAleenan Ronan, Risk assessment is an intellectual process analysing a situation; it is something you do rather than something concrete you can pick up or have. Competent workers will be capable of assessing the situation and deciding whether use of the gloves is appropriate for their safety in that situation. Any other workers’ assessments will have been for situations other than yours and their conclusions not applicable. If your workers conduct their own assessments their conclusions will be appropriate and relevant. Regards, Philip
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#5 Posted : 06 May 2009 09:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ronan We are wearing gloves in relation to construction....drywall partitions specifically. The guys need to cut the fingers off the gloves for greater dexterity when picking up screws etc
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#6 Posted : 06 May 2009 09:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp Ronan Presumably it is a construction site. In which case most injuries occur to the fingers and hence fingerless gloves negate the wearing of gloves. Not sure anyone will be able to assist with your RA. Personally, I dislike the mandatory use of PPE and especially gloves. Another example of h&s going OTT. Ray
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#7 Posted : 06 May 2009 09:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By bereznikov Hi Ronan, I don't think the wearing of PPE is OTT at all. Have you checked out any of the gloves on the market that allow for greater dexterity whilst also providing quite robust protection against manual handling as in your scenario? - the SHP, and HSW magazines usually have plenty of advertisements that might be f help to you. I just can't remember any of the brands at the moment :-S bereznikov
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#8 Posted : 06 May 2009 10:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Gloves used for protection are personal protective equipment. It is a legal requirement that other means of preventing damage to health are identified and implemented (so far as reasonably practicable) before gloves are provided. Simply providing gloves as the primary means of protection could well put the employer in the position of not complying with the PPE regulations. Furthermore, even for physical protection, the selection and use of gloves needs to be treated with care. It is highly unlikely that a single glove used across a whole site would be suitable for each and every task. Thus there is a risk that a worker may use an inappropriate glove and suffer injury. Having no task specific risk assessment the employer could find themself in some difficulty. The selection and use of gloves for chemical protection is even more complex. For example, the manufacturers' published performance data does not tell you how a glove will perform in practice, so relying on this could be putting your workers at risk. If you need more on this, there is a book on the subject. Protective Gloves for Occupational Use (second edition), ISBN 0-8493-1443-7. Chris
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#9 Posted : 06 May 2009 10:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Safe System Ray i disagree (to an extent) that it is going over the top. Admitedly i used to think like that but after just finishing an analysis on 6 years worth of accident reports on our construction company i have noticed that Lacerations to fingers and hands have been the biggest cause of minor accidents over the years. I am not going to just make gloves mandatory over night though. I am sending the statistics to all the site staff and involving them. Some sites are happy to trial mandatory glove wearing so will monitor it and see how it goes and gain feedback. The reasons for the lacerations can not be avoided by a change of task but can be sensibly controlled using PPE. Without blowing my own trumpet - the above is how it should be done over a long period of analysis and trying to eliminate the task and not just a knee jerk reaction. I agree that some sites can be OTT though and just do it for the sake of doing it with out employee consultation.
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#10 Posted : 06 May 2009 10:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Mandatory policy of wearing gloves across site. Gloved hand drawn into rotating machinery. Result amputation Defence in court......? Chris
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#11 Posted : 06 May 2009 10:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp PPE should be identified via a RA but in reality much of it is imposed by some Board of Directors or the Client. Therefore PPE should be task specific and adopting a 'one size fits all' approach is incongruous to good health and safety management. Yes, there are various types of gloves but even the best affect dexterity to some degree. Why should someone painting a door or tiling walls have to wear gloves? As practitioners we need to be aware that this risk averse culture is not doing our profession any favours. Just my opinion.
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#12 Posted : 06 May 2009 12:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By MCK So, i appreciate there is a balance to find but what is the most significant hazard, a joiner dropping the odd screw due to full fingered kevlar gloves, or the joiner cutting his fingers whilst wearing half finger protection kevlar gloves, and handling steel metal stud partisions??
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#13 Posted : 06 May 2009 13:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By John J Ronan, there are some very thin cut resistant gloves available on the market nowadays. As may are designed for the car assembly industry dexterity is not noticibly compromised. I wear Ansells Hyflex range both at work and even bought some for DIY jobs at home (fencing, building walls, working on the car etc). I've had no issues with these or styles I've used from other manufacturers. I can't help you with the half fingered assessment and personally I believe half fingered gloves = half way to getting it right. Regards, John
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#14 Posted : 06 May 2009 14:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham The problem with the thin, cut-resistant gloves is the level of cut resistance that is provided. There are five different levels specified for cut resistance. Most of these thin gloves will only be performance level 1, or perhaps 2, whereas what is needed for a particular task might be level 4 or 5. Wearing the inappropriate glove might lead to a false sense of security and to injury. There is always a trade-off between protection level and dexterity. The higher the level of protection the less dexterity is possible. This is just one example of why a global policy of glove wearing can actually cause more problems than it solves. You need different gloves for different tasks. So the specification of which glove should be worn must be associated with the risk assessment. Chris
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#15 Posted : 06 May 2009 14:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp Chris Fully support your comments. I will also add that thin gloves will not provide against protection against the of crushing fingers either.
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#16 Posted : 06 May 2009 16:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By John J OK perhaps I should qualify my statement. The gloves I use for general purpose are cut level 3 and recommended by the manufacturer during a glove survey. They won't protect against crush protection.
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