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#1 Posted : 20 May 2009 11:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mr. Scruff Hi all, I'm new to the forum and have a task assigned to me by one of my peers. He has a client who installs the concrete slabs to new structures and their activities involve moving huge concrete slabs around a construction site. The slabs are transported to them on flatbed lorries and employees climb onto the flatbed to attach harnesses from the crane to the load. Forklifts are also used for this. Our issue is to reduce the risk as much as possible of falls from the vehicle. As the vehicles move around the site there is no stationery point they could carry out the unloading therefore it would be diffciult to have a fixed platform for the employees. Also, the flatbed lorries are usually different vehicles. We've got to the point where we want to give them ideas on safety while carrying this out. My main idea is a safety net that is adjustable and flexible to move around a site with time taken into consideration. Can anyone else offer any more tips/guidance? Your help is much appreciated. Mr Scruff
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#2 Posted : 20 May 2009 11:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer Try applying common sense, how long will they be on the lorry? If as I suspect they are there to put some sort of hoist or staps around the load they will only be ther for a few minutes so it would be impracticable to go through the routine of constructing some sort of barrier or even using fall arresters, what is reasonably practicable, providing some form of safety barrier or providing propoer training and supervision?
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#3 Posted : 20 May 2009 11:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steven McCallum Thanks Bob, They are there for more than a few minutes and due to the environment (harsh terrain and weather impacts) the risk increases. Training has been carried out and access ladders provided plus the lorry when it arrives will be full and the load emptied over the course of the day. A possible scenario we looked at are these inflatable mats that can go round the lorry but then again again how practical is that? As i mentioned, it's difficult for them to have a stationery position for unloading. I've thought about pressure on the haulage company to supply the same lorry for each delivery so that they can find a more long term solution that suits all aspects. Even with proper training & equipment falls form the lorries are regular and something has to be done. Steven
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#4 Posted : 20 May 2009 11:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By SNS Hi, At the H&S Expo last week there was a company with movable cushion type arrest bags. Have a look at www.alsamexfallarrest.co.uk . The ususal disclaimer, i.e. we have not yet bought them but they are one of the considerations. I have no interest in the company, just the product. Regards, S
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#5 Posted : 20 May 2009 11:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steven McCallum Thanks S, I will certainly have a look at that. regards Steven
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#6 Posted : 20 May 2009 13:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Grace Mr Scruff, The worst possible scenario when the vehicle does not have a fixed location for loading or delivers to many/varied locations....! Having looked at how this is done in City of London I would suggest the following: 1) Short lengths of scaffold tube with clamps welded to them that can then be clamped to leery bed. Between these you have choice of rope/cargo straps or poles that are clamped on. Short lengths as above but dropped into "sockets" pemanantly fixed to trailer/vehicle bed and tensioned with a cargo strap that goes from front of lorry across a securing device at top of each pole and then "tapers down" to a fixing point at rear of vehicle bed. Driver can then slip on his harness and connect lanyard to the device. Perhaps easier to visualise with a photo. Email me if you would like me to send some across Regards Phil
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#7 Posted : 20 May 2009 13:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steven McCallum Hi Phil, Thanks for that. I might email accross but I think that may well be an impractical solution as they are not in control of the selection of the vehicle. I've thought about pressure on the haulage company but I'd rather our client had a control measure that satisfied all aspects. Cheers Steven
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#8 Posted : 20 May 2009 16:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Renny Thomson Why not request that there are suitable lifting points on the load accessible from the ground? Or that the lifting straps/slings are left attached to the load to avoid anyone having to climb up either when laoding at the consignor, or the delivery point? Go back to the design of the blocks. Avoid the risk and apply collective protection to all stages of transport. After all, similar risks apply at loading...
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#9 Posted : 20 May 2009 16:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steven McCallum Hi all...again! I'm looking at this as a possible solutions. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? http://www.easi-edge.co....roducts/trail_arrest.asp The only issue I can see is interference with the lifting equipment but I suppose we can get round that with competent persons in control.
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#10 Posted : 21 May 2009 08:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Grace Steve, If I understand the situation following your response you have your employees climbing over hauliers vehicles to unload your product when it arrives at site. If that is the case I suggest that you could throw responsibility for ensuring that there is protection or whatever is needed back onto the haulier. I'd suggest that it must be a joint approach since what ever is used must be acceptable to your employees but if vehicle mods are needed then your contract terms should ensure that such mods are in place. Certainly unloading of steel here in the City is done off hauliers vehicles but the riggers/slingers who climb all over the vehicles are employees of the steel erectors. Phil
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#11 Posted : 21 May 2009 12:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By john thos 147 the trailers that we have approx 2.5 inch square cutouts around the perimeter of the bed it would be quite easy to fit rails to them (i am pretty sure they are standard on most lorries. If they were made out of alluminium they could be fitted quite easily. We used steel uprights with slots cut into them we then dropped wooden boards into the slots to create a barrier. similar to the method used on curtain siders. make sure they are about 1400mm high can't remeber the figures for barriers. The other point to look at is to stop drivers helpers CLIMBINg on or off the wagon . get some steps/ladders made that can be phsically attached to the trailer. these could be incorporated into the barrier systen described above.
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#12 Posted : 21 May 2009 12:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Horner Try this ling http://www.hse.gov.uk/pr...bul=vehicles/mar2009&cr=
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#13 Posted : 21 May 2009 12:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Horner for ling read link
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#14 Posted : 21 May 2009 13:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Grace With reference to John's observation. The delivery lorries were there today. Post holes were used as he described. This time tall posts c3ms tall "stayed" to ends of HGV trailer using cargo straps. Rope slung between the two posts using what looked like some sort of ratchet pulley... guess rope could be left hanging low for clipping on then pulled taught and tensioned. Rigger's harness lanyards clipped on to rope. Phil
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#15 Posted : 21 May 2009 15:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete Brown Try contacting the following company: Airtek Safety Ltd T: 01252 360550. They do a product call truck mat
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#16 Posted : 21 May 2009 16:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steven McCallum Thank you to everyone who has posted. We have taken all the information and tips on board and will prepare something to present to our client. I prefer the safety netting as it eliminates the fall altogether. The problem with the mats is that they can still land awkwardly when falling on them. Even though the risk of injusry would be much lower we'd rather try and eliminate it altogether.
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#17 Posted : 21 May 2009 17:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By chrisogmccann Hi, with my knowledge and experience of the different types of concrete slabs, it is a matter of the banks man to climb onto the lorry and hook the chains from the crane on to the pre designed lifting attachments. I have seen it done loads of times and requires little or no time to climb and hook on the chains. Personally I dont find it R.P to be sticking on side nets etc unless the concrete slabs are off varied sizes or types of beams. But again the lifting attachments on these beams and slabs have been designed so they can be lifted safetly. Thus reducing the period of time in which a banksman needs to be on the back of a lorry. One way would to be to ask the slab company to install lines horizontial onto the lifting attachements on the slab (Standard rectangle slabs). The banksman can harness on to it as well. Again the positioning and length of the harness and line might not be in control, and beyond R.P. Realistical the onus should be put onto the tranport company to engineer a handrail. a simple hinged arm, with adjustable straps, something that takes 2 minutes. Not 20 minutes with two men as the catch net clearly states on its web site. If the transport company refuses to take this action in mind, then when you are installing the protection for them, ensure that you do not pay for the wait time that the in-convenance has caused. :)
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#18 Posted : 21 May 2009 17:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By justgossip Bean bags, weight is small, just drag and position, if lorry moves some distance just throw on the back. if person falls of they land in bean bag. no big drama, cheap and practical garry
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#19 Posted : 04 June 2009 18:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By SN This wont be practical for all your haulage operators but for best practice check out what Bison use. At one time they used bags but last time I had a look on their website before Laings bought them (so may have changed) they had folding nets. Superb bit of kit though highly tailored for their operations and not practical for general haulage Worth a look none the same
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#20 Posted : 04 June 2009 19:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By D H I would go with Rennys suggestion. Leave the straps on the load and have them to the side. Hook on from ground therefore no requirements for climbing, nets or anything. You only need to manage the recovery of the straps after that. Dave
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#21 Posted : 05 June 2009 06:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By West Hi, What is the lenght of this project or how often you doing this task?
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#22 Posted : 01 July 2009 10:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By george holt Hi,this is my first time on here and come into this a bit late but hopefully have useful info/follow up. As a company we went into discussions with HSE over this problem after an incident on our site.After consideration and further consultation with HSE we came up with a solution for ourselves and now market this product as "mobile fall arrest and access platforms". Further info can be found on www.granthamfabrications.ltd.uk Hope this helps Regards George
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