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#1 Posted : 28 May 2009 10:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Durkin Hi All, The HSE are currently consulting on 'Additional guidance on what info. to give about load WEIGHTS'.On a recent discussion regarding sacks of compost, only the volume is given i.e.30L which is OK for Helium balloons but not,I suspect for manual handling of solids.So should the guidance include this.The law requires(ref:reg4(1)(b)(iii) of MHOR): 'where it is reasonably practicable to do so,precise info. on :the weight of each load' etc is required. I would think that sealed sacks come into this category? Precise may be a little tricky. The previous discussion ref;44770 covering this point was pulled,moderator please advise? Regards,Paul
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#2 Posted : 28 May 2009 10:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Merchant The density of compost varies, so it's sold by the litre (as users expect a certain "amount" means a certain number of plant pots full). Bags should however have something akin to "warning - heavy - take care when lifting" stamped on them. Bulk aggregate etc. is by the tonne, but only because it's simpler to make up the delivery on a weighbridge (and nobody expects anyone to try and lift it). The problem with labelling something variable by mass is that it opens the supplier up to complaints if the bag is too light, and equally if it's fractionally HEAVIER than the label and someone puts their back out lifting it. "Approx 25kg" can work for gravel (and hence those bags often say that), but compost can double if it gets wet.
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#3 Posted : 28 May 2009 11:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Durkin Thanks Dave, A useful response,I can understand using volume when filling,wetness etc but when full/sealed should there be a requirement to wt label,if not precise,then to the nearest kg? What info is given per pallet? Should the purchaser know,if the shop doesn't.? I have a concern that volume is being used cos it's easy. Regards Paul
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#4 Posted : 28 May 2009 22:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter The supplier is also under pressure to comply with the Weights and Measures Act. Volumetric qty makes compliance with that Legislation easier too.
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#5 Posted : 29 May 2009 08:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Y Dave makes a very good point. I would think that the previous post was 'pulled' as it conflicted with AUG 4 as the title identified an organisation and the thread was essentially a complaint
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#6 Posted : 29 May 2009 12:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Nicholls Another reason for garden compost to be labeled with the volume rather than weight; the bags are packed in a moist state, the bags have perforations in them a stacked pallet will loose a percentage of the weight over time. Some can loose up to 10% of filled weight. That's why volume is used. Same for peat.
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#7 Posted : 29 May 2009 13:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Durkin Thanks Alan, I didn't know about the LITTLE perforations.I would still like some indication of wt. i.e. a 30L bag is 15kg or 30kgs? Regards,Paul
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