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#1 Posted : 29 May 2009 12:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Decimomal This should be good...... How often do we see or hear the term 'common sense' used ? What does this term mean to you and do you believe it has a place in the health and safety practitioners vocabulary? (if yes, why and if no, why not?) I used to use the term but two quotes and an insurer made me think a bit - the first quote is that 'common sense is not that common' (Voltaire?)and the second is that what is common to one is not common to all. What do the practitioner's out there think?
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#2 Posted : 29 May 2009 12:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Roly Buss I wish I had a pound for everytime someone has said to me "but H&S is common sense isn't it?" I generally agree with them, with the proviso that you need a bit of knowledge and understanding to apply, but basically it is common sense. Many risks can be identified with simple common sense - others you need some knowledge to identify and others can only be identified by expert professional investigation, although their presence can be anticipated by common sense - e.g. asbestos. I once heard a story from a Safety Professional about common sense. He had engaged a painter to paint his pebble-dashed house, and discovered him raking out a crack with an angle grinder and bits flying everywhere - no eye protection. He called the painter down and explained about eye injuries, and the response from the painter was "you don't need to tell me - look, I have already lost one eye!" (With appologies to the story originator if he is reading this) Roly
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#3 Posted : 29 May 2009 12:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Flic Common sense is guaranteed to be perfect.... but only in hindsight. Besides, we are not driven by common sense, so expecting us to use it alone in order to prevent acidents was always set up to fail. We vary in our appetite for risk. Flic
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#4 Posted : 29 May 2009 12:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Safe System common sense... something most operatives on site leave at home when they leave for work.
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#5 Posted : 29 May 2009 13:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By mark linton I try and avoid the term. Common sense implies sense that is common to all - the only thing I can think of that fits that bill is to do with falling and possibly water - which I think is a nature thing (something we have an instinctual caution about if you prefer), everything else is a nurture thing. What put me off the phrase entirely was hearing an engineer refer to something as being 'common sense' but it was anything but - what he actually meant that it could possibly be called common sense for engineers who have an intimate knowledge of our plant. Mark
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#6 Posted : 29 May 2009 13:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By GeoffB4 Personally use the term 'good sense'.
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#7 Posted : 29 May 2009 13:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Murdy Common sense is a perfectly reasonable term to use but it will always need to be understood. People generally behave within certain expected parameters - it´s what we do as a society and culture. There are people who do things outside these ´norms´ and that´s what makes for variation in the common sense. It´s the variation that makes reliance on common sense so dangerous. It´s common sense that people drive slower in bad weather but some people get overtaken by other desires and ignore this. Some people have a healthy regard for heights - common sense in some respects. Others love the thrill. So you can apply common sense but it´s hardly repeatable or an appropriate control measure.
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#8 Posted : 29 May 2009 13:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Hoskins Common sense developes from our life experience and acquired knowledge, so not everyone will have the same 'level' as it were...
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#9 Posted : 29 May 2009 13:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp Common sense is one of life's overly used term that has no real purpose or definition. I prefer the term 'applied common sense' when used in a health and safety context.
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#10 Posted : 29 May 2009 14:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By clairel Common sense is taught. It's common sense to you and me to look before crossing the road but its not common sense to a one year old. That child has to be taught that is is 'common sense' to look before crossing. Also what a lot of people refer to as common sense is actually perception (eg, perception of level of risk) and we all have a different perception. Hence the exmple above about overtaking in the rain is perception. You may slow down in the rain to a speed I perceive to be too slow and my perecprion may be that it is then safe to overtake. Your perception may be different of that same situation. Nothing common sense about it. Just perception. Common sense + bad term.
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#11 Posted : 29 May 2009 14:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By clairel That should be.. common sense = bad term
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#12 Posted : 29 May 2009 14:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By water67. Hi, sorry don't go with the "common sense" view. Why? it's generally not very common! it is primarily a learned response..thus no two individuals will have the same "common sense" if you take it to any depth..what similar common sense would a middle class safety officer from no 1 any street uk have i common with a local from number 1 any street congo? cheers have nice weekend..sun is shining..beer will hopefully be cold.... cheers
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#13 Posted : 29 May 2009 15:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By alan noble This presumably is the sense that the man on the Clapham ominbus has? So there should be a reasonable expection that any reasonable person would have it. If this Friday rant..Do MPs in the House of Commons exhibit common sense or common expense?
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#14 Posted : 29 May 2009 16:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Neil R Theres no such thing as common sense, the whole myth of common sense is flawed, peoples perceptions are individually different Some people don't see a problem in standing on the top rung of a ladder, others wouldnt do it in a million years, some people are happy to work in the middle of a live highway others insist the traffic management is spot on... Sadly 'sense' is not common place so therefore common sense itself doesnt exist.
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#15 Posted : 29 May 2009 16:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Heesom Yep 'common sense' Its like defining the phrase 'Normal'. When some smart alec says define Normal, I like the respons 'what everyone else is, and your'e not!'
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#16 Posted : 29 May 2009 16:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Graham Watson I like this quote: "Common sense in instinct, enough of it is genius." So I guess we shouldn't expect too much from ourselves or others. Have a nice sunny weekend. Graham
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