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Posted By simon_g
Is anybody aware of any legislation that states that a Fire Risk Assessment has to be separate from a General Health and Safety Risk Assessment?
Also does the Risk Assessment have to conform to a particular format?
Our current fire risk assessment is incorporated into the annual risk assessment. It is a tick format where the assessor identifies potential fire hazards, the number of people that could be affected, the severity of the injury that could occur and the likelihood of the occurrence. The assessor also notes what action would be required to reduce the hazard/risk.
Does the above provide a suitable/sufficient risk assessment.
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
Simon
I do not see why FRAs could not be part of a general health and safety package provided they are suitable and sufficient. Reg 9 of the RFFSO does not stipulate the format. However, if push came to shove I would say that FRAs should be separate from other h&s issues as a matter of good practice.
Ray
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Posted By Messy Shaw
There is absolutely no requirement (in law) for your FRA to be separate to any other H&S RAs you undertake.
But how would you manage fire safety? - for instance changing circumstances which might require a review- without keeping it separate.
however it is good practice to keep them together in the same file.
As for the format, I would keep to the five stage approach (or something similar) as detailed in the DCLG guides, or a BS PAS 79 standard. After all, that is the sort of layout that fire safety inspectors understand and allows them to turn immediately to the page they are interested in.
If you have a mickey mouse/homemade format, they might read the whole thing and be more likely to find problems!!!!!!!!
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Posted By Blue
Simon.
Many companies use a different format from their general RA's thay they have developed - mainly because that most are unaware of what aspects to look for in a S&S FRA and will have problems using their usual format. Therefore adopting or buying a FRA template will almost always be a tick box style form with many pre-printed closed questions being asked. With so many general RA templates - it's 1000/1 that the FRA template will be a close match to the general RA templates.
I have never seen a FRA that is in the same format as general RA. However, it would be okay to use the usual template if it included enough detail.
Also consider what part of Britian you are in as the laws vary a bit (ie, if you are in Scotland), and how slick you are at performing FRA's (ie, if you are a fireman).
Cheers, B
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Posted By water67.
Hi, whilst we use separate paperwork and format for FRA,. This is not essential. The law/regs require a suitable and sufficient FRA not a separate one..
Cheers
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Posted By Bob Y
You might want to try the fire service college - believe that they have a 'standard' form called L2P. I couldn't find it on their website but you could try the query feature.
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Posted By b318isp
You may want to consider it seperate to demonstrate that you are reaching requirements such as Approved Document B of the Building Regs, etc. This would imply an area by area assessment.
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Posted By Ashley Wood
The fire service's say that as many as 70% of FRA reports are not suitable and sufficient that they look at! My contacts within the enforcing authorities say that a good proportion of these are expanded H&S format assessment reports. The fire risk assessment is not just about ticking boxes i.e will there be a fire YES, NO, it is about providing a solution to resolve the problem and this can only be done by a person competent in fire and fire safety. Would a H&S specialist be aware of travel distances, exit door widths, compartmentation, fire system suitability etc etc? I recently viewed a H&S assessment that included the fire risk assessment as well. It was more like an equipment audit, listing the numbers of PC's and copiers in offices etc.
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Posted By StuF
The Publicly Available Specification PAS79:2007 published by BSi details a recommneded methodology for carrying out fiire risk assessments and also provides a form for recording them on. I work for a large local authority with a wide variety of premises. We follow PAS79 and the local Fire Authority find it a very good format.
The document costs £99 and is available in hardcopy or downloadable format from www.bsi-global.com/en/Shop
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Posted By andymak
Have a word with your local Fire and Rescue fire safety officer. There may be a particular format or types of information they like to see which in my experience makes life much easier!
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Posted By Crim
Surely it's in the difference between the regulations.
Management regs - risk assessment
FSRRO - fire risk assessment.
The two are similar but not the same.
Be careful out there!
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