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#1 Posted : 02 June 2009 08:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Cummings Hi all I am aware this has probably been raised on several occasions previously however I would like to know if any one has any information particularly legislation or case law pertaining to the transfer of liability from the driver of a vehicle to a banks man whom the driver is receiving guidance from. A quick summery of the circumstances are main premises owner employs second company to provide logistic staff (Banks men etc) and then leases premise to third party inclusive of logistic staff support, all operations occur in an unrestricted public place reversing a articulated lorry down a dead end street but not on public road. Q. Who would be liable for prosecutions in the event of a major incident (fatality) Driver or Banks man whilst operating under banks mans direction? Q. Is there a transfer of duty of care from the driver or his company to the Banks man or his company when the banks man takes control of directing movements? A bit long winded but quite complicated many thanks for reading please give any advise you think appropriate.
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#2 Posted : 02 June 2009 08:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Neil R Q. Who would be liable for prosecutions in the event of a major incident (fatality) Driver or Banks man whilst operating under banks mans direction? Depends on the circumstances of the accident, could be the company or the driver, very unlikely to be the banksman, driver is still in control of vehicle, banksmen are their to assist. Q. Is there a transfer of duty of care from the driver or his company to the Banks man or his company when the banks man takes control of directing movements? No, driver maintains full responisibility for vehicle at all times, even when being assisted by banksman, all liabilities remain the same
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#3 Posted : 02 June 2009 08:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By steven bentham Andy The answer to your therotical questions varies. The main liability rests with the employers [of the crane operator, banksman, and the person killed] all would be considered equally. Individuals also have legal responsibilities and duties. Try a search on prosecutions on the HSE's website under enforcement before you get a 101 different answers from this web-site!!! Steve
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#4 Posted : 02 June 2009 08:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Neil R Just remember the technical term for a vehicle banksman is 'reversing assistant' the key word being 'assistant' the driver is in control of the vehicle and is liable completely for the movement of it.
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#5 Posted : 02 June 2009 09:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By SteveD-M There isn't yet any specific cases of a banksman being held for his or her actions that I am aware of. There are however plenty of cases where the company has had the procedures in place but the banksman was not available and an accident occurred...R v B&Q Plc 2005
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#6 Posted : 02 June 2009 09:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By SteveD-M Also agree with Niels comment...the driver is still the driver and in control of the vehicle.
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#7 Posted : 02 June 2009 09:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Cummings All Thanks for the responses I shall take all comments on board and also look up the motioned case law this has helped a great deal it is always good to get a measured response from independent persons Many thanks
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#8 Posted : 02 June 2009 10:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By ScotsAM Vicarious liability would put any liability onto the banksmans employers anyway wouldn't it?
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#9 Posted : 03 June 2009 20:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Rose Surely the answer to both questions would depends on the individual circumstances of the incident/accident!!!!!! I don't think that there is a transfer of the duty of care though!
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