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#1 Posted : 02 June 2009 09:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Shaw Morning all, I've had searched on the forum and cannot find anything on this particular PPE issue. My Risk Assessment for my bench joiners recommends the use of Hearing Protection and Eye Protection when using certain hand held power tools that are both loud and eject debris. I'm looking for a combination product (or a combination of products, if you see the difference) that will provide suitable protection levels for both issues and one that is going to be accepted and worn by the workforce. In reality the most basic pair of safety glasses is all that is needed but they don't fit with ear defenders. While they would fit with ear plugs, we have the reduced efficacy of ear plugs as well as the hygiene issues of working in a joinery workshop. Any advice would be gratefully received Many thanks Andrew
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#2 Posted : 02 June 2009 11:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuff4blokes Andrew, have you considered individual moulded ear plugs? They are more effective than disposables and should easily provide sufficient attenuation for typical woodworking shops. They can be easily kept clean, are less likely to be removed in the exposure zone, are less likely to be wrongly inserted and will not interfere with spectacles. They are initially high individual cost but quickly become cost effective with a working life of many years, provided they are not "lost" There are at least 3 individual companies who supply these and I have no connection with any of them (apart from as a customer).
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#3 Posted : 02 June 2009 14:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rich Bannister Have you considered goggles for the eye protection? The elasticated strap would easily pass around ear muffs. Also what about a headband or helmet mounted full face visor?
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#4 Posted : 02 June 2009 20:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Garry Mcglaid Hi Andrew, I had the same problem a few years back and to be honest with you the individual ear plugs with the glasses are the best option. We had so many permutations offered to us fromt the specialists, the best thing i done was get out my old joiners belt out and spend some time working with the various options. The glasses with ear defenders for me is looking the safety part but not getting the best efficiency. To be fair Rich, the goggles are not much cop either when dealing with bench joinery due to the levels of dexterity required and dust emissions that will be flying about. I know, I know, what your thinking, wont glasses have the same problem, yes but its easier to have a nice big box of wipes at the bench that can be wiped over the safety glasses. The moulded plugs with light glasses will give you all the protection you need to comply, and should be a pleaser with the guys who need to wear them for 8 hour shifts. Regards Gaz
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#5 Posted : 03 June 2009 09:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Shaw Thank you gentlemen. After searching long and hard yesterday I think I have come up with some options. I had come to the opinion that the goggles with ear muffs attached were never going to be a winner with the guys. I've ordered some "No Touch" ear plugs that have a little stork that sticks out of them so they can be inserted without having to roll them in dusty hands. I did look at some banded ones but there seems to be fall off in performance once the plugs are banded. I'm going to offer the samples to the guys and see how they feel about them. In terms of enforcement, or more accurately, monitoring, I was hoping to find banded plugs with suitable performance as it would be much easier to look about the workshop and see who was & wasn't wearing them. Ah well, you can't have everything. Thanks for your opinions. Andy
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#6 Posted : 05 June 2009 16:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chas Andy, Kimberly Clark do a range of hearing protection products that are compatable with glasses. I believe they are called Kleenguard earplugs. PS I do not work for the company, just know of the products.
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#7 Posted : 10 July 2009 20:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Christopher Todd I know this response is a tad late but as I worked as a bench hand joiner for 12 years my experience is that full face visors where the best, ear defenders will easliy fit over the visor structure and are very comfortable. chris
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#8 Posted : 11 July 2009 20:41:00(UTC)
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