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#1 Posted : 03 June 2009 16:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kell
Could anyone tell me or confirm whether or not jubilee clips were outlawed. I seem to remember around 6 years ago having to change all jubilee clips on pneumatic air tools used in the manufacturing process to O ring or crimp clips. Is this a legal requirement or just best practice????

Please advise...........
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#2 Posted : 03 June 2009 16:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis
Another myth
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#3 Posted : 03 June 2009 16:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kell
Are you joking / being sarcastic or stating a fact? Sorry end of the day and it's been a very busy one.............
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#4 Posted : 03 June 2009 16:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis
serious remark - jubilee clips were never outlawed.
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#5 Posted : 03 June 2009 16:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By al wood
i remember working on several fuel terminals (esso, shell, vopak, buncefield) about 8-10 years ago and they where banned on all of these installations.
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#6 Posted : 03 June 2009 20:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Rose
Outlawed jubilee clips!!!! OMG my life would be impossible without them lol
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#7 Posted : 03 June 2009 20:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete48
This sort of misunderstanding probably comes from the fact that the use of jubilee clips is not universally acceptable in all applications. A quick call to the supplier of your clips just to check whether the intended use is acceptable is a good way to check out individual situations.

The world would truly fall apart if Jubilee clips were universally banned. Ha ha. Seriously there have over the years been numbers of accidents where the use of clips was found to be inadequate and a contributory factor in the accidents.
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#8 Posted : 03 June 2009 22:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
They have their uses. Fine for your car or boat or domestic plumbing waste pipes. Not a reliable connection on any serious pressure system, pneumatic or hydraulic, and from a designer's perspective then, they would be prohibited.
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#9 Posted : 04 June 2009 05:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By West
In our company Jublee clips were banned for using on gas culinders for hot work purposes, e.g. propane and oxygen. Not sure about total ban.
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#10 Posted : 04 June 2009 14:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Derrick Robinson
The only place I can tell you with certainty they are outlawed is for use on portable gas welding and cutting equipment where the the guidance issued by the manufacturers and (I think) by the British Compressed Gasses Association specifically require crimp connectors.

I would have thought that in other applications this would be down to the hazards associated with the gas/liquid passing through the hose, the potential consequences of a failure and perhaps and the pressure.

I think the problem with them in high hazard applications is that overtightening can lead to failure.

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#11 Posted : 04 June 2009 14:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis
in order to 'outlaw' something, you need to introduce legislation and there is no law on 'jubliee clips'.

There is a BIG diffrence between the words 'recommendation' and 'outlaw'.
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#12 Posted : 04 June 2009 14:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kell
The jubilee clips I am refeering to are on pneumatic air lines (attaching the hose to the pneumatic screw guns). Anyone know which piece of guidance I could refer to?
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#13 Posted : 04 June 2009 14:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Zorro
There are some equipment that jubilee clips cannot be used, i.e. welding bottles
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#14 Posted : 04 June 2009 15:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Zorro
Sorry jubilee clips are not banned but on welding equipment it is recommended that they are not used as the can loosen if worn and 'O' rings are recommended.
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#15 Posted : 04 June 2009 16:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Renny Thomson
I had to check it wasn't Friday. Oh well there's always tomorrow!
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#16 Posted : 04 June 2009 19:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Rose
Remember Jesse off the Fast Show? Well how about, Jesse's health and safety tips?

"this week I shall mainly be using jubilee clips" - after all it is Friday tomorrow!
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#17 Posted : 04 June 2009 22:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karen Todd
See previous posting:

http://www.iosh.org.uk/i...iew&forum=1&thread=11699

KT
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#18 Posted : 05 June 2009 10:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kell
Many Thanks Karen, glad someone is taking this seriously.
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#19 Posted : 05 June 2009 11:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By John J
Kell,

Its prohibited here but only based on advice from our previous bottled gas supplier.

Up until doing it we had a few near misses with hoses splitting or coming off.

We have extended this advice to all hose connections.

The problem with jubilee clips is that they can be overtightened and damage the hose or under tightened and blow off. Once your set up with a crimping set its as easy and as quick to get a connection that is secure and fit for purpose,

Regards,

John
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#20 Posted : 05 June 2009 11:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kell
Thanks John J, this helps! :D
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