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Posted By Jonf
Hi all, do I need proof of "competency" to carry out Fire Wardens Training? - have been training various companies in the above course for a number of years (classroom environment, PowerPoint, handouts etc). No actual teaching qualifications though. Was initially asked by my company to "do the course."
Health and Safety Advisor now Manager with practical experience and NEBOSH qualifications. Thanks in advance.
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Posted By Messy Shaw
A competent person is defined in the FSO as someone with
"sufficient training and experience or knowledge and other qualities".
Sounds to me you fit that description.
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Posted By Jonf
Thanks for the above reply; not a "genius" on the subject, however, never had any issues with running the course or answering any fire related questions on the subject. The course is relativly "basic" - no need for in-depth complicated detail.
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Posted By TBC
Gets better with age - good luck.
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Posted By FAH
The need to self-certificate ourselves to satisfy someone who expects or requires a "recognised certification of competence" even when there is no definable body or authority competent to issue such a certificate has been here for some time.
Suggested future required examples could be[delete all but the most appropriate]:-
Are you alive/dead;
Do you know nothing/something/everything about the topic of choice.
I do miss Fridays!
Frank Hallett
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Posted By hmattg
Hi, It depends how long you have been a trainer, If its less than 5 years you are now by law required to undertake the minimum level of teaching qualification no matter what environment you are training/teaching in or what your background and experience is. I worked for an engineering training centre when this new standard came in and virtually all our staff had to attend night school to be able to carry on working. The course you can do is a city&guilds 730-3 I think or now there is something similar call PTLLS (Preparing to Teach Lifelong Learning Skills). Both courses are about 12 weeks of 1 night per week of about 3 to 4 hour sessions. When I did mine there was about 5 essay type assignments to complete in order to pass the qualification.
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Posted By A Campbell
hm,
I'm intrigued to know what law insists in having 5 years experience?
Is this in regards to profit making business or to teach in house subjects?
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Posted By Coshh Assessor
What law is that then?
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Posted By Jonf
Never came across the issue of 5 years training - have been "doing" the course for around 5 years though. Dont fancy all that "traning" prep work!! Have been through NEBOSH Level 6 etc - no more!!
Thanks. (seems OK to carry on - I think!).
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Posted By Messy Shaw
I too would be very interested to find out more about this law.
I hear almost every working day, people referring to laws which say this or that.
Upon examination, the 'law' referred to turns out to be either guidance (such as BS or DCLG Guides) or sales talk from an eager fire extinguisher salesman and the like.
As I said in the first post above, fire safety legislation (ie the law) requires anyone assisting the Resp Person to be 'competent' ie to have: "sufficient training and experience or knowledge and other qualities"
Nothing there about a formal teaching qualification.
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Posted By Sally Campbell
What about Chartered Institute of Environmental Health Professional Trainers Certificate? Surely that fits the bill?
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Posted By Messy Shaw
Flic
That law relates to further education premises and defines a teacher as:
"teacher” means a person who provides education at a further education institution under a contract of employment or a contract for services, other than a person who is employed by the institution on an occasional basis to provide updating on current commercial, industrial or professional practice; and “teach” and “teaching” are to be construed accordingly.
So I read that as you need to comply with this law to teach at a college, but not if you are teaching the staff about fire safety/H&S etc.
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