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#1 Posted : 08 June 2009 14:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By philly boy hi all this is a first on the forum for me. after reading such headlines from the mail online that energy saving bulbs "can cause migraines" and then looking into it via the WWW and seeing that they also (allegedly) "cause skin cancer" and everything else nasty. my question is this does anyone know of any research carried out that can gives a definite answer? any help is gratefully received
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#2 Posted : 08 June 2009 14:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Donaldson If you go to the HPA web site and do a search on Compact Fluorescent lamps If you go to the HPA web site and do a search on Compact Fluorescent Lamps you will see that the HPA have issued precautionary advise. Alternatively cut and paste this Link http://www.hpa.org.uk/we...34061375?p=1204186170287 The research report which is referred to is a priced publication
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#3 Posted : 08 June 2009 17:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Rose Interesting stuff, and of course in common with all 'emerging technology' (mobile phones etc) it will probably be a good while before we understand and appreciate the risks that come with it.
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#4 Posted : 08 June 2009 18:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham These energy saving light bulbs are really a miniature form of fluorescent tube. Many years ago I had to work in Germany in an environment with no natural light. After a few weeks I started to suffer from headaches and sore eyes. I went to an optician who took one look at my eyes and stated: "You work under fluorescent tube lighting." He prescribed tinted lenses for my spectacles and this resolved the problem. I also was in a workplace there where we had an accident due to the stroboscopic effect of the fluorescent tube. The equipment was rotating at the speed where this effect made it appear as if the rotor was stationary. An operative put their hand out...you can imagine the rest. Chris
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#5 Posted : 08 June 2009 19:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Donaldson Chris The comment about the stroboscopic effect brings back memories of engineering workshops with lots of rotating machinery. The solution was to ensure that alternate banks of lamps were on different phases of 3 phase supply. This allegedly cancelled out the strobe effect.
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#6 Posted : 08 June 2009 20:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Blenkharn There is also a considerable problem in the making from the mercury content of these bulbs. This makes them anything but an environmentally sound option.
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#7 Posted : 09 June 2009 00:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Richards except that cfl's operate at a much higher frequency.....40 khz (ish)
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#8 Posted : 09 June 2009 08:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By clairel I don't know the science but personally I think they give a headachhe becuase they are so dim! By the by have you noticed you can't get more than 60watt normal light bulb now (non-industrial). What's that about? I'm not a fan of energy saving bulbs at all and completely agree with the whole disposal problem counteracting the postitve effects argument. On a personal level, we don't use them.
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#9 Posted : 09 June 2009 09:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Richards On a personal level, you will have to sooner-or-later. The "ordinary" light bulbs are being replaced (forcibly) by the cfls'. You will not be able to buy any in a few years time !
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#10 Posted : 09 June 2009 13:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By philly boy thank you all for taking the time to contribute regards Phil
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#11 Posted : 09 June 2009 14:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Re energy saving, one could argue that this only occurs in the summer. In the winter the heat given off by the conventional filament type bulb is missing with the cfl type. Thus our heating system has to work harder to replace this. Chris
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#12 Posted : 09 June 2009 16:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Donaldson I am sure that someone with a greater knowledge of electrical supply will correct me if I am wrong. But I did comment on the need for florescent lamps to be on different phases to stop the Strobing effect. The other reason was to ensure the load was balanced and Power Factor Transformers were also used as well to balance loads. This in turn reduced energy consumption. If the public suddenly start using very high numbers of florescent lamps and the energy companies do not start to balance loads, the energy saving potential will take a big hit.
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#13 Posted : 09 June 2009 19:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Richards Since all houses are single phase...........
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#14 Posted : 10 June 2009 08:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Zorro Thanks for this posting, my daughter has been suffering with migraines over the past year or so, mostly Sundays, (did check it wasn't a problem she was having at school and we monitored her diet. once I read the post it always appears to be after she has spent prolonged periods in her room. It may be that the lighting is dim. But I will change the light bulb and see.
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#15 Posted : 10 June 2009 10:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Haggis JM As a migraine sufferer myself I can say that it is bright lights and/or glare which trigger mine, not dim lighting! I have 100% CFL's at home - not a problem. My other proven cause is office temp too high, fortunately I now have my own office - my lights are off almost all time and my heating has not been on at all in the 30 months I've been here
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#16 Posted : 10 June 2009 10:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Donaldson Yes homes are single phase but I think I am right in saying that its 3 phase up to the local substation. In rural and other areas you will see 3 phase and neutral power lines, 1 phase and the neutral is then taken to the property to provide a single phase supply. I threw this in as I am, in my own mind, not sure that CFL’s are the wonder solution to energy conservation that they are being promoted as.
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#17 Posted : 10 June 2009 10:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Zorro Haggis, I to suffer with migraine, but my daughters symptoms are different to mine and I think maybe so are her triggers. As you are a sufferer you can understand that finding the triggers is helpful and it's all a case of elimination. I once read that they thought my migraines were linked to strokes. I can control mine as i know exactly when one is starting.
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#18 Posted : 10 June 2009 11:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Richards Since they use less power than an equivalent light-output incandescent lamp they obviously save on power use, irrespective of the heat radiated by the incandescent lamp contributing to the heating ! The cfl units rectify the 50hz ac to dc and then the electronics chop it to [about] 40khz to drive the clf tube. I cannot comment on the use of 3-phase local subs...other than to say that they obviously balance the load on the transformer by allocating so many properties to each secondary output. Since all houses are going to be using approximately the same amount of cfl's, I see no problem arising. In any case, there seems to have been a rather striking bit of research that gets much more light out of an incandescent lamp than the present ones, more than twice as much, and the current stays the same.... Win-Win ? http://www.rochester.edu/news/show.php?id=3385
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