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#1 Posted : 11 June 2009 17:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By GavinR
Hi,

We are recently looking to leave our present manufacturer of bespoke lifting attachments due to concerns over the quality of their products. What i not sure about is what the minimum requirements should be for the new manufacturers. Is there a British Standard that lifting attachment must be manufacturered to? This is a mild steel collar lifting attachment for lifting loads at various stages of the machining process ranging up to 200kg ion weight. My initial thoughts are to request a manufacturer with ISO quality certification as start of and experience in producing bespoke lifting equipment. But i can't find anything else to base the assessment on. Engineers have put forward a contractor who does some small scale refurbishment work for us but i'm worried about proceeding with this. For lifting equipment to be suitable will this not require the person to be able to produce the design drawings, caluclations etc as to how the equipment is adequate?

Hopefully someone can help with this issue!
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#2 Posted : 12 June 2009 08:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel
check with your insurer and British/EN Standards as there are many fabrication standards that must be adhered to when manufacturing such kit noting that a small co without ISO can easily be as good as a large co with ISO re this sort of area

Fabrication is a specialist area so take advise from a suitable designer
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#3 Posted : 12 June 2009 09:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Flic
There are very likely to be some relevant standards. A keyword search on BSI website 'lifting accessories' brought up 610 results!

Flic
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#4 Posted : 16 June 2009 15:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By GavinR
Hi Guys,

I have had some recent developments with this issue and it's proving difficult.

We have lifting attachments (bespoke equipment for lifting machined parts) that have been produced and sold to us by lifting gear manufacturers over the last 10 years or so. The equit is only sold to us and no one else. The majority of this equipment is not CE Marked and they are individual componets not considered as incorporated to the crane.

From reading the supply regs and EHSR it appears this equipment should be CE Marked and advice from LEMA says the attachments should be compliant to BS EN13155:2003.

The manufacturers do not seem to know if the equipment should be CE Marked by them from discussions and they are a decent sized organisation which is making me wondered if i have misinterupted the regs or they are not competent???

Also, do we need to go back and retro-CE mark all our lifting gear now? We comply to requirements of LOLER already but we are unsure if there were to be a failure of this equipment in the future where would we stand with it not being CE Marked? There is no documented design process (drawings, etc nor compliance to a standard for its construction).

I have called the BERR for advice but they told me nothing.

If anyone can help me i would really appreciate some advice if i'm going down the right path on this/

Cheers.

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#5 Posted : 16 June 2009 23:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
A bit complex that one. BERR Guidance does provide some of the answers though?

See http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file11274.pdf
Section 4.3 (page 53) looks to answer at least part of your query regarding application of harmonised standards to lifting accessories.

A pity perhaps that BERR could not point you at their own guidance?
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#6 Posted : 17 June 2009 07:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Vrick
Gavin R
good morning
CE is only a standard of reference which has made its proof. There may not be any legal requirement for the CE marking (unless there is any CE directive which I 'm not aware)or any other marking but I'll be mentioning under correction of my learned collegues (as I'm non UK citizen and not UK based)that I think under section 6 of HSWA 1974 any manufacturer is under legal obligation to show that the product (any article to be used at work)is safe for use and i am of opinion that this may be in terms of a certificate or any other document.

Once you have been satisfied by the manufacturer that the product was properly designed i.e of sound construction and sufficient strength etc..you, the employer and the employees would be on the safe side.

As you have mentioned that the manufacturer does not have any design document, then it creates sufficient doubts not to purchase from that supplier as it is in non compliance with HSWA and you have a legal obligation to inform HSE. Any person who knows an offence is committed must notify the enforcing authority.

Thanks
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