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#1 Posted : 12 June 2009 16:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By BOD
Although this is a simple question i have been challenged by a senior PM that as CDMC we should be requesting MS & RA from the PC.

My opinion is that as CDMC if we are assured that the PC has a robust management systems to address the significant risks within their Construction Phase Plan then this should suffice.

Comments welcome.....
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#2 Posted : 12 June 2009 18:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By JasonGould
No

If I am outnumbered by the amount of yes responses on here, I will be quitting the industry that's for sure.

The CDMC is not some kind of super construction H&S God with supreme power to comment on everything. He is a co-ordinator whom co-ordinates design aspects in relation to H&S, issues pre construction information to the PC and checks that the PC has a suitable CPP for the start of the project. He then collects H&S file information and updates / compiles the H&S file.

There is enough for him to do in ensuring all that is done never mind commenting on method statements.










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#3 Posted : 12 June 2009 18:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By CFT
Fully concur with Jason (he'll be delighted to know ... he doesn't need to quit now)

CDMC appointment is made by the client (or at least by someone advising him/her on said appointment at any rate).

Their job is not one of doing as you suggest. That task falls to the PC's representative in the main.

Charley
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#4 Posted : 12 June 2009 21:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Unless of course the client adds it to the CDMC brief:-)

Bob
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#5 Posted : 12 June 2009 23:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
The CDM-C should ensure that any UNUSUAL Project Significant Risks (those a competent contractor couldn't necessarily be expected to be already aware of) are brought to the PC’s attention in the Pre-construction Information Pack. It surely follows then that he should be advising his Client that the PC has adequately addressed these UNUSUAL risks in the initial CPP, and that this could reasonably involve scrutiny of a Method Statement or two submitted as part of that initial CPP?
I am not suggesting that CDM-Cs be involved in assessing contractor overall competencies (which should be properly addressed via PQQ and tender evaluation processes). Of course, the competent CDM-C is expected to have the knowledge and expertise to assist clients with the evaluation of competency of their appointments (where requested). This could also involve the scrutiny of Method Statements?
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#6 Posted : 13 June 2009 15:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim
I undertake site safety inspections on behalf of a Client and CDM-C who between them see the need for such inspections but not necessarily competent themselves to do the work. (They do not have the time?)

They receive a report from me and pass that on to all relevant persons i.e. Principal Contractor and sub contractors.

Part of my inspection covers risk assessments and method statements so I always ask to see them - and check the work in progress agrees with the written method and risk assessments are in place for all work in progress at the time of the inspection. That is as far as it goes.

The guide to CDM states that it is not the responsibility of the PC to check the work of the sub contractor so I am happy to see risk assessments in place but not read every word.

There is no mention of the CDM-C inspecting risk assessments or method satatements so why should he/she get involved?

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#7 Posted : 13 June 2009 16:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By claret65
Coordinators do exactly that!--Principal Contractors' review systems of work and ensure control.
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#8 Posted : 18 June 2009 08:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete Sutton
reply to jason's comment

"The CDMC is not some kind of super construction H&S God with supreme power to comment on everything"..

You might not be..but i am..lol
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