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Posted By Kenneth Patrick
But Ray Hurst is wrong! It is H&S that is the culprit.
"John Grant, who represents Overseal on the district council, said: "It is health and safety.
"Police are not allowed to walk behind or in front of the parade unless there is a road closure, which is expensive.""
It is the H&S control measures/procedures/risk assessments that the police have which is the basis of their decision
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Posted By garyh
So it's a POLICE RULE and not H&S. Surely?
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
Not knowing the full facts but it appears that 'elf & safety has been conveniently blamed yet again.
An excellent riposte by Ray Hurst, Immediate blah, blah.
Kenneth, not sure whether your response was meant as humour or not. If the latter perhaps you would explain your assertion please?
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Posted By Kenneth Patrick
Raymond, not meant to be humorous at all.
"Police are not allowed to walk behind or in front of the parade unless there is a road closure, which is expensive.""
I am working on the assumption that the police have made the above rule based on a health and safety assessment. Therefore since the parade is not going ahead because of the consequences for the organisers of this rule then QED it is H&S, as practised by the police, that is to blame.
Ken
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Posted By Brian Hagyard
So the police cannot walk in front or behind the parade unless the road is closed.
While I don't know the road in question would you want to walk down a road with drivers still using it?
I think not so sensible health and safety surly?
I remember a pancake race being canceled for same reason - cost of road closure.
So it the cost element that stops the event because sensible health and safety says close the road and we get blamed!
I wonder what would happen if it was decided not to close the road because of the cost and allow these events to take place anyway? I have visions of school children running down roads tossing their pancakes while dodging the oncoming traffic, or parades parting around irate drivers still trying to move forward.
I sometimes wonder why we just say health and safety is to not to blame rather than pointing out that sensible health and safety has identified that having the activity take place on a public road still being used by cars is not a good idea after that its down to cost.
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Posted By Alan Hoskins
Surely the police do not have to walk - they could station police vehicles at the head and tail of the procession with all their fancy lights flashing...
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Posted By Pete48
But if the road is closed, what are they protecting the parade from? Am I having a senior moment here? This looks like completely muddled thinking to me which is far more worrying than elf'n'safety.
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Posted By David Hood
It is now becoming all too easy to blame H&S, and it is giving safety professionals a bad public image, which IMO, is uncalled for.
This procession would probably only take half an hour.
Surely the risks should be worked around with simple control measures e.g traffic warning signs for the passing vehicles to slow down, a police car at the front and one at the back.
Or am I being too simplistic - what has happened to common sense!
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