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Posted By trevor-ross
why when approached do alot of companies state their employees know how to lift and do not need any training???? is this acceptable??? or is it the norm for people to ignore the MH reg until forced into them.....
(eg companies working with steel, timber. I would consider these manual work)
please respond
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Posted By SNS
Hi Trevor,
With all the other pressures on businesses it is likely to be (like many things) a combination of reasons, pick from the following list:
It won't happen to me / us
My people have always done it safely
We only have little injuries, nothing major
We don't have time for all tha malarky
People have been picking stuff up and carrying it since we lived in caves, they weren't trained, why should we be?
etc etc
There is no magic involved, getting training etc in place is usually achieved through a mix of persuasion and coercion, do it because its right, or do it because the law states that you must.
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Posted By sylvia
Trevor - the MHO regs do not actually impose a duty to train employees in MH.
It is suggested in the guidance that training can form part of a safe system, if identified as appropriate by the assessment, but plenty of current research shows how pointless most such training is.
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan
In response to your queston, 'why when approached do alot of companies state their employees know how to lift ...' fundamental reasons include:
1. the nature and character of risks of musculoskeletal injuries are difficult to explain simply, as study of the research by the leading orthopaedic and ergonomic authorities indicate
2. diagnosis of injuries is too often haphazard or worse,
3. control of the hazards tends to be random unless systematic processes of ergonomic task design are accompanied by behavoural observation and feedback
4. trades unions and employers associations fail to communicate the above messages
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan
Trevor
Research on decision-making indicate two other factors you may wish to consider.
1. It's become a norm for budget-holders to expect quantified criteria for purchasing decisions
2. Cognitive/ergonomic research indicates that pictorially presented information is easier to process than verbal or numerical data.
Depending on how you wish to influence buyers to invest in MHO training and other services you offer, you can use this information by applying ergonoomic research along these lines
a. using a force gauge to provide quantiifed data to prospects about the magnitude of loads that people are expected to handle and how good training (and task design) can reduce exposure to risks of wasted resources including time off
b. take videos of people handling different kinds of loads in different settings and develop laptop demonstrations of how well-designed ergonomic trainng and job design can improve manual handling performance as well as team leader effectiveness, by improving the physical compatibility of MHOs and consistent adaptions of posture and uses of force according to differences in floor surfaces and space constraints.
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Posted By Phil Rose
Trevor
I assume that you're a training provider. Without getting into the details of MH training specifically, I would say that employers have many demands on their time and resources and that it is for them to chose, who, why and when they do any training
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Posted By Kevin Brown
Of course, you could ask for the risk assessments that support the manager's views.
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Posted By Francis E S Hone
why when approached. Who are you aproaching and why. Are you a consultant aproaching companies and offering services. Or doing a survey of some sort. they may have already done some training the regs have been around for a while now.
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Posted By Stuff4blokes
It is often a standard response to cold callers: "go away we've already got some". Absolutely nothing to do with whatever you are selling or whether there is a need or desire for the product. Just "don't bother me now I've got work to do".
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Posted By Phil Rose
Reckon you may have hit the nail on the head 'stuff' - I just get so fed up with 'spam' e mail and cold callers trying to sell me something that I already have in hand. They're only doing their job I know but still frustrating and distracting
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Posted By trevor-ross
THANKS FOR ALL THE TIME TAKEN TO RESPOND MUCH APPRECIATED........
THANKS
TREVOR
PS I DONT DO COLD CALLING JUST HAVE GOOD FRIENDSHIP WITH EX EMPLOYER'S AND WAS ASKING THEIR ADVICE AND YOURS
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