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#1 Posted : 30 June 2009 13:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barry Bruce Can anyone explain to me the purpose of a First Aid Risk Assessment? 1) Is it to examine the likelihood of requiring the use of first aid? 2) Is it to examine the likelihood of personal injury to first aiders? Answers on a postcard........
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#2 Posted : 30 June 2009 13:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Flic I think it is an ambiguous term. It could be either - in the first instance it will result in a determination of how many first aiders you need, where they should be located, whether they need any specialist training over and above the standard, what equipment they need and how they should be contacted. In the second it could define how they should undertake their role. You can also look at protocols for taking people to hospital, what to do if you return after the workplace is locked up for the night, reimbursement of taxi expenses, etc So my advice would be to define what your risk assessment is going to do for you, then do it! Flic
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#3 Posted : 30 June 2009 13:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis I would use the words 'assessment of first aid need', rather than first aid risk assessment. I would add that creating extra/unnecessory workload for 'nothing' doesn't benefit health and safety profession at all.
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#4 Posted : 30 June 2009 13:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis Furthermore, there's no risk in provinding first aid facilities/arrangement, therefore no risk assessment is required.
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#5 Posted : 30 June 2009 14:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barry Bruce Swis, I agree. Unfortunately, we have been asked by a prospective client to provide them with a First Aid Risk Assessment - this client, I might add, is a large refinery operator. I think it serves little purpose but they are the customer so will have to put something together.
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#6 Posted : 30 June 2009 14:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Altoft Agree with others -- it is an assessment of need - the questions in the back of the HSE guidance to the Regs is easily converted into a template. That then easily gives an assessment that any experienced client should recognise. R
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#7 Posted : 30 June 2009 14:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adam Worth "Furthermore, there's no risk in providing first aid facilities/arrangement, therefore no risk assessment is required." ??????? I have seen several examples of First Aid risk assessment. One type on large chemical plants where RA looked at specific chemical hazards - specialist equipment required (oxygen therapy in both cases) response times of site first aid / external first aid etc. And various types whilst working for St John ambulance. required amount/level first aid cover for event Risk to first aiders. Etc Etc Etc Etc Add to this the need to risk assess high risk first aid scenarios such as situations presenting a high risk of blood borne disease or violence from patient and my answer is I agree with Flic :)
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#8 Posted : 30 June 2009 14:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis Adam, We need to be cautious when choosing a name here. We can not use the term ‘first aid risk assessment’ for processes involved in a chemical plants. Similarly assessment on a person working for St John’s Ambulance would not be classified as ‘first aid risk assessment’. You can carryout risk assessment in hundreds of scenarios but you can’t label them ‘first aid risk assessment’. Again, as Flic mentioned in his post, it is required for a prospective client then I’m afraid he needs to create one labeled as ‘First Aid Risk Assessment’.
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#9 Posted : 30 June 2009 14:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barry Bruce I agree - they are obviously referring to needs based assessment. Thanks
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#10 Posted : 30 June 2009 15:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis Sorry my previous post should have stated 'BArry' not 'Flic'.
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#11 Posted : 30 June 2009 15:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis Barry, A simple google result; http://www.plymouth.gov...._aid_risk_assessment.pdf
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#12 Posted : 30 June 2009 15:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Elliott Barry, According to the DRAFT First Aid at Work ACOP & Guidance dated 24/10/07 and due to be published in time for the October 2009 changes in training requirements - Appendix 2 provides a "checklist for assessment of first aid needs" which you might find helpful. The document is accessible through the HSE's web pages. Regards
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#13 Posted : 30 June 2009 15:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adam Worth http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg214.pdf Ok I see what you mean now Swiss. Anyway - the above answers the question nicely - all be it an assessment of first aid needs :)
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#14 Posted : 30 June 2009 15:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adam Worth I was too slow with clicking post - Sorry to duplicate...
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#15 Posted : 30 June 2009 16:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Y Barry - I think that the answer to your question is that it is something along the lines of answer number 1!
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