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#1 Posted : 30 June 2009 13:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By E Braillard
I have over the last couple of months attended a couple of scaffold course to see what is being taught to my company’s employees.
Something that came up during one of these courses was the removal or covering of ladders at the end of the working day. Clearly, security is an important factor but what was stated was that if the ladder is removed then this action is interfering with the scaffold and must be carried out by a scaffolder.
My thoughts are that if the ladder is to be removed, as long as it is removed and replaced safely i.e. footed etc. then it doesn’t require being carried out by a scaffolder. Discuss.
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#2 Posted : 30 June 2009 14:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
I support your sensible point of view.
Very disappointing that a training course provider would suggest otherwise.
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#3 Posted : 30 June 2009 14:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lee Mac
The training was questionable on this occasion.

You are certainly right, so long as the person who replaces the ladder as a means of access in the appropriate method (a simple in-house training session on the use of ladders/ associated risk assessment will provide the necessary information and provide the relevant degree of competency required to carry this out) there is no reason why you/I could not remove/replace the ladder.

There are plenty of trainers out there who need retraining and this guy definitely does.

Lee
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#4 Posted : 03 July 2009 23:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By davidlavery
Being an ex Scaffolder & Scaff Inspector (15 Yrs Exp)Currently employed as HSE Officer in the Nuclear industry (1 year Exp) I find your comments, suggestions the course instructor requires retraining quite Alarming, any modifications carried out on scaffolding (this includes removing, reinstating Ladders) should be conducted by a competent Scaffolder (CISRS Basic or Advanced Scaffs Employed by specialist Company)

Not every Tom Dick & Harry that are also employed on a Building site.

Its not surprising that the most fatalities accounted for in GB are related to Working at Height, Falls from Height.

When this Pre WHR'S 2005 ATITUDE Still Exists
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#5 Posted : 04 July 2009 00:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By D H
May I suggest that we used to get scaff questions before that were answered quickly and professionally by a host of people - where are they now?

Dave
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#6 Posted : 04 July 2009 00:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By davidlavery
I Forgot to mention the industrial issues, if a site operative not related to the Scaffold Company attempted to interfere with a tagged Scaffold, that employee would probably face disiplinary action (Possibly Gross Misconduct) And the Scaffs Would Probably Hit The Gates.

Only my Opinion (But a very serious issue that is common practice on smaller less H & S orientated sites
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#7 Posted : 04 July 2009 07:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter
But surely, the ladder is the access to the scaffold and not part of it?

Paul
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#8 Posted : 04 July 2009 09:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By claret65
We use lock-off boards on our access ladders, which are easy to manufacture and which anybody in the organisation can fit(chain and lock).
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#9 Posted : 04 July 2009 21:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By davidlavery
Your right Paul a ladder isn't part of a scaffolding inspection, A ladder has it's own Inspection & Tagging system. Even more reason to leave all Working at Heights & Scaffolding Operations inc (ladder removing & reinstating to the experts)

The course trainers got my backing,
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#10 Posted : 04 July 2009 22:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Bring the scaffold contractor back twice a day, every day, to remove and reinstate the ladder access to the first lift? You're having a laugh.
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#11 Posted : 04 July 2009 22:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By davidlavery
Who mentioned the first lift???
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#12 Posted : 05 July 2009 00:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Why would you want to remove or cover any ladders other than those giving access to the first lift?
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