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#1 Posted : 01 July 2009 23:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Seamus O Sullivan Anyone ever heard of Lyme disease ? I am interested in finding out the level of knowledge out there among the safety professionals. does anyone here have experience of it, does anyone know anyone who got it at work, etc. Regards Seamus
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#2 Posted : 02 July 2009 08:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brian Hagyard Yes! It a tick borne infectious disease! There should be lots of information on the Internet. My Knowledge is a little rusty but its one of the diseases I studied for my Applied Zoology Degree many years ago. i believe its very prevalent in sheep farming areas (I studied in north wales and we used to "drag" the field with blankets to determine the tick population in the area!) Its a reportable disease under RIDDOR for workers exposed to ticks (forestry workers, rangers, dairy farmers, game keepers and others engaged in countryside management are the examples given no mention of Sheep farming I note) I have a feeling I have read recent reports that its on the rise due to the increase in the tick population and people have been warned about the danger if their pets bring ticks into the house. If my memory goes back far enough I think its another of those infections that has "flue like symptoms" initially but I am sure you will get much more information off the Internet. Brian
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#3 Posted : 02 July 2009 09:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Y I live and work in Norfolk and Lymes is alive, well and kicking in the Thetford Forest area. WE provide information to our outside workers such as Rangers etc but we have never had a case reported. There is quite a lot of info on www, but I have found the following helpful http://www.arun.gov.uk/c.../buildpage.pl?mysql=2289
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#4 Posted : 02 July 2009 09:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bryan W I run & bike around Thetford Forest a number of times a week, I have come home quite often with ticks around the legs. The severity is I believe depends on the bacteria the ticks carry around. Some of the symptoms can be fatigue and depression...in our line of work who would know if we had it or not? http://www.netdoctor.co....es/facts/lymedisease.htm
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#5 Posted : 02 July 2009 09:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Haggis JM Only too aware of it as a hillwalker! Used to be confined to the west coast but now finding them in Aberdeenshire - one of the dogs had one yesterday...
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#6 Posted : 02 July 2009 09:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Duell AFAIR, deer ticks are the main carriers of Lymes. I live near the New Forest so it's something we see a lot of. I think the previous poster's comment about flu-like symptoms is right, but the first sign of a problem is a small pink ring around the bite.
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#7 Posted : 02 July 2009 10:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Matt Hilton Been there and got the T-Shirt! I got it probably 12 years ago when I used to be a Scout leader. We had just done a weeks camping in a remote part of the Lake District when I found a tick on my ankle, removed it and thought nothing of it. What followed was 3 months of trips to the Docs trying to get it diagnosed before a chance encounter with an ex - gamekeeper who took one look at the big red ring completely surrounding my ankle and said I needed to be tested immediately for Lymes disease. Strong antibiotics and more blood tests confirmed Lymes and finaly the all clear. The red mark on the ankle lasted nearly 2 years before it faded! Most doctors in towns and cities will never see a case (my GP got all the other GPs in the building into the consulting room to look at the distinctive marks when it was diagnosed) so information to your employees is a must. Someone mentioned feeling lethargic etc, in my case I didnt feel unwell at all just a mark on the skin. Matt
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#8 Posted : 02 July 2009 11:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker When we lived in the far North of Scotland, my wife was a practice nurse and in the warmer months hardly day went by when she wasn't removing ticks for someone or other. Surgical spirit - dab it on until the little ....... fall off. Do not try to pull the tick off. I imagine it can be quite alarming when you find one on yourself & don't know what they are. The practice (& NHS in the area) was well geared up to handle Lyme disease
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#9 Posted : 02 July 2009 12:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kenneth Patrick How many CPD points do you think one can claim for now being fully up to date with Lymes disease and sheep traversing cattle grids due to the excellent responses to Seamus's posts?
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#10 Posted : 02 July 2009 12:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuff4blokes Previous posters have said what I would have done, except you seem to be asking what the level of knowledge is. Why? My brother caught it whilst in US and was miserably ill for a while, even with quick diagnosis. Other than a brief mention during my Occ Hygiene studies section on zoonoses that is the only time I have ever come across it. I guess (no knowledge at all) that urban and suburban medical and H&S practices will have limited knowledge whilst rural ones will have plenty.
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#11 Posted : 02 July 2009 12:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Y Yes it has been an interesting thread, and especially interesting to hear from someone that has actually had it. I used to holiday in the USA quite a bit years ago, and pocket cards were available at many of the National Parks. I think time for me to do a little reminder to our rangers etc.
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#12 Posted : 02 July 2009 13:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Seamus O Sullivan Thanks for all the replies, I was busy so finally got to read them. My sudden interest in Lyme came when I became aware of children attending a summer camp for 4 days. The parents were offered no advice to look out for ticks. A parent discovered 2 ticks on their child. I did remember hearing something about Lyme a few years ago, and read up on it. The latest report seems to suggest that 15% of the ticks in that area have Lyme. I actually spoke to one of the employees at the centre about Lyme, and she never heard of it. I am delighted to get so much help,advice,suggestions from everyone. Thanks a million. There is no link between my previous post re the cattle grid, disabled person and Lyme, however as I now understand it, if one was unluckey Lyme can cause severe disablity. I will leave the medical people deal with that issue.
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#13 Posted : 02 July 2009 13:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Dowan Hi Go to http://www.hpa.org.uk/ and type Lyme into the search criteria Regards Dave
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#14 Posted : 02 July 2009 15:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By water67. Hi, is carried by "ticks" from farm live stock that become deposited on the grass.. anyone walking through can pick them up on skin.. usually legs. They are difficult to detach as they bury themselves into the skin.. usually a pair of tweezers are required. They are fairly small and thus wouldn't be noticed if you didn't look for them.. wearing shorts going through grass in areas occupied by livestock is particularly hazardous. It is a particular problem for people like myself who hill walk in scotland.. I never wear shorts. But i would stress that it is an irregular rather than regular occurrence with walkers etc. But if undetected/treated can lead to serve health probs and in some instances can cause a fatality. That's as much as i know..got to say mostly information from more experienced co- hill walkers.
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#15 Posted : 02 July 2009 15:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By water67. Hi, sorry sent last post to early!!! It is carried by "ticks" from farm live stock that become deposited on the grass.. anyone walking through can pick them up on skin.. usually legs. They are difficult to detach as they bury themselves into the skin.. usually a pair of tweezers are required and must ensure you get the head out. They are fairly small and thus wouldn't be noticed if you didn't look for them. wearing shorts going through grass in areas occupied by livestock is particularly hazardous. It is a particular problem for people like myself who hill walk in Scotland.. I never wear shorts. But i would stress that it is an irregular rather than regular occurrence with walkers etc. But if undetected/treated can lead to serve health probs and in some instances can cause a fatality. That's as much as i know..got to say mostly information from more experienced co- hill walkers. My bottom line advice if you notice them..can't get them out go to A&E at you local hospital Hope this helps, gives you a starting point.
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#16 Posted : 02 July 2009 15:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By LMR Heard of it .... ???? My daughter has just been diagnosed with it! Returning from a holiday in North Carolina where she has been bitten; been back about 10 days and is now extremely ill. She has been put in isolation and swabbed to make sure it is not swine flu or a combination of both. I am now living in my motorhome! and communicating by phone and email; just for your information!!!
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#17 Posted : 02 July 2009 15:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Seamus O Sullivan Hi LMR. I am very sorry to hear about your daughter. She will be ok, the medical people will sort it out, and it is good that she was detected early, apparently it often goes undetected for years. Seamus
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#18 Posted : 02 July 2009 16:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Seamus O Sullivan Just read 813 cases notified in England and wales in 2008. http://www.hpa.org.uk/we...d/HPAweb_C/1195733837876 It must be a problem for workers in woods, parks, etc In Ireland Lyme is not a notifiable disease yet,but it is in Ireland too. Seamus
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#19 Posted : 02 July 2009 17:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Graham Bullough The Deer Commission for Scotland have a useful section about Lyme Disease on their website at http://www.bestpracticeg.../people_lymeDisease.aspx Though I know of at least one scientist who apparently contracted the disease some years ago during field work in Scotland, my impression from talking to others is that they are pretty clued up nowadays about precautions. This includes being vigilant for ticks and being aware that any flu-like illness they develop could be Lyme Disease and should be checked out. In this latter respect, the same advice applies to Leptospirosis (alias Weil's Disease). Apparently most GPs do not think of occupational/recreational causes like Lyme Disease or Leptospirosis when faced with patients with flu-like symptoms. Though I enjoy mountain and moorland walking I echo the advice given by at least one previous responder against wearing shorts in summer in areas where ticks are likely. Another reason why I prefer long lightweight trousers is to avoid sunburn. No matter how often or how much suncream I used to apply, the backs of my legs seemed especially vulnerable to sunburn, so for many years I've worn longs instead of shorts.
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#20 Posted : 02 July 2009 20:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brett Day This is probabaly the most up to date info for the UK: http://www.tickalert.org/index.html
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#21 Posted : 03 July 2009 00:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete48 I thought one or two might be interested to see the little blighters that carry Lymes disease! http://www.microscopy-uk...mag/artjun01/tick3d.html There is a lot of info on the various NHS sites about Lymes if you want to research any further. Just a couple of other things to add. Not all ticks carry the disease. There is increasing anecdotal evidence that numbers are increasing where they already exist in the UK. For those of us who live in areas where they are prevalent, they are a fact of everyday life. Following good preventive measures, recognising them when they attach themselves to you and what to do next is the way we live. There is no point to me worrying about getting Lymes anymore than worrying about getting run down by a bus. Of course those that work in such environments are given guidance and good practice to follow but.. if you are on that tick list......
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#22 Posted : 12 July 2009 22:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Seamus O Sullivan Thanks for all the replies. I hope LMR that your daughter is OK ( He mentioned in his reply that his daughter was just diagnosed with Lyme) Seamus
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