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#1 Posted : 05 July 2009 19:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Walsh. Got an issue which I would like some advice upon. I have a client who provides short term hostel type accommodation to homeless people. Some of the residents will insist on smoking in their single occupancy bedrooms. Despite request for them not to, etc. The hostel is not classed as providing any form of care so cannot legally provide smoking bedrooms as defined by Exemption from Smoking Regs and not being a care institution as defined by the Care Act. However, we are where we are and despite the hostels best efforts smoking in bedrooms continues. As this hostel is new build the fire officer quite rightly wants a fire evacuation procedure and risk assessment. No problem with that. The one area which is causing a problem is the fire officer wants to know at what level we intend to set the smoke detection in the bedrooms so it triggers a 'first stage' fire alarm to allow for investigation of the cause, pending a double incident full activation of the alarm. The alarm installation company are struggling to find definitive guidance. I cannot find any guidance on the level of sensitivity of a smoke detector to recognise a fire, and not trigger through sensible levels of tobacco smoke. Any advice?
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#2 Posted : 05 July 2009 19:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By D H Simon - you are the accommodation provider so you set the rules. If someone decides to ignore the rules, make it clear you are going to toss them out on the streets again. Hard as it sounds, there is too much of the "human rights issue" - rules are rules - break them and face the consequence. Set the smoke detectors at a level that is going to alert people to danger - and kick out those who break the rules. Dave
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#3 Posted : 05 July 2009 20:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuff4blokes Why not swap the detectors for rate of rise or set temp?
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#4 Posted : 05 July 2009 21:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Walsh. If heat detection is used any fire which triggered a fixed temp or rate of rise will have killed the occupant with the smoke before the flames.
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#5 Posted : 06 July 2009 07:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel The room is a persons home for the period that the person is using the room as per a 'normal' hotel. Therefore evaluate what 'normal' hotels do with regards to smoking and do the same As the hotel sets the rules they know what to do if an occupant does not want to adhere to those rules Having worked in the sector myself all I can say is; 'we cannot have our cake and eat it' e.g if its not a care home its not a care home!
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#6 Posted : 06 July 2009 16:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Messy Shaw Heat detection is allowed in Hotel bedrooms under BS5839 part 1 2002 as a method of preventing unwanted fire signals. Indeed, many Hotels are fitted with HD rather than SD. The rationale is that fire detection in that room (in L2 or L3 systems)is not there for the protection of the punter(s) in the room, but to protect the means of escape by raising the alarm before a fire in the room reaches the communal escape routes (ie the corridor outside) I too have my doubts whether this rationale (written before the RRO) adequately protects all relevant persons - which is an obligation under the RRO- but none the less, that is what that BS states. UK fire services accept HDs in bedrooms as compliance with a BS is a recognised by them as a benchmark which will achieve compliance with the RRO
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