Posted By steve g Hi All (again) I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH A CELLAR DOOR THAT CURRENTLY OPENS INTO THE HALLWAY OPPOSITE IS A TOILET DOOR THAT ALSO OPENS INTO THE HALLWAY, YES YOU GUESSED IT SOMEONE WENT DOWN CELLAR COULDNT GET OUT AS THE TOILET DOOR WAS LEFT OPEN AND THE TWO TOUCHED TOGETHER LEAVING NO ROOM FOR THE PERSON TO GET OUT THE CELLAR DOOR. TO CORRECT THIS I HAVE SUGGESTED WE REPLACE THE TOILET DOOR WITH A SLIDING DOOR THERE IS ENOUGH CLEARANCE TO THE RIGHT OF THE DOOR FRAME, WE CANNOT REHANG IT OPENING INWARDS AS IT REQUIRES DISABLED ACCESS. HOWEVER THE ESTATES DEPARTMMENT!!! WANTS TO REHANG THE CELLAR DOOR TO OPEN INWARDS INTO THE STAIRWELL TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM,THE CELLAR IS IN USE THROUGH THE DAY QUITE REGULARLY I FEEL THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE DUE TO THE DOOR GOING IN THE DIRECTION OF THE STEPS AND INSTEAD OF STEPPING BACK WHEN OPENING THE DOOR YOU WOULD HAVE TO STEP FORWARD DO YOU AGREE WITH THIS AND ALSO DOES ANYONE KNOW OF ANY LEGISLATION I COULD REFER TOO THE SETTING IS A RESIDENTIAL CARE HOME THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP STEVE G

Posted By tdunbar I would think that the door opening over the stair would be a greater risk.

Posted By martinw What, all of them? OR jsut narrowing it down to B, K and M? Helpful much?

Posted By SBH Put a self closer on the doors SB

Posted By martinw Just as saying the answer is in H&S legislation is not specific, yet it also is not helpful. The building regs take a lot of looking at so at least follow the spirit and not just the letter of being helpful?

Posted By Bob Shillabeer PS don't mind the use of caps not seen as shouting.

Posted By martinw Steve have a look at approved document K which is to do with avoiding impacts and falls. Page 8, diagram 6 may help. http://www.planningporta...s/br/BR_PDF_ADK_1998.pdf should get you there. Don't know if it is definitive enough but it is so obvious not to have a door swing onto a flight of stairs that it is not even written in the regs! Good luck Martin

Posted By Ron Hunter What about a bi-fold door for the toilet? Cheaper than installation of a sliding door perhaps and certainly cheaper than re-hanging a fire door. Perhaps easier for the elderly to deal with too? Your Estates colleagues should be aware that a proper fire door comprises the door and frame assembly - lots of time and effort required to re-hang and provide a fire break to the same standard, particularly where the intumescent strips are on the frame.

Posted By Ron Hunter I would suggest that the elderly/infirm could have issues with sliding doors too - particularly if there isn't a 'soft closer' to prevent trapped fingers and the like. There is always a temptation to make things free-running in order to reduce the effort to get them moving. This is turn can lead to increased impact energy and increased injury at the closure. A bi-fold door would tend to be a lighter structure, and (presuming standard door widths) could be readily fitted within the existing frame without modification.

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