Posted By Larry 1. Larry reads post. 2. Larry leans over from computer in hallway to look into kitchen. 3. Larry now looking at electric socket within 1 foot of kitchen sink. Oooooooer. 4. Mrs Larry now opens cupboard under sink and Larry sees another double electrical socket under sink. Oh, dear. 5. Larry thinks its time to stop reading posts like this. Larry want to sleep at night. 6. Larry wish he not buy House from construction firm with tree on flag. Larry xox

Posted By Peter F. Peter sits and thinks, 'hope Larry doesn't continue answering on the threads the way he is, as Larry is becoming very boring.

Posted By philly boy is larry the sherminator from the american pie films?

Posted By bluesail461 Hi, Didnt realise my post was about Larry, can I have some constructive posts please - thanks jez

Posted By Paul Skyrme Me again! Right, I have checked this out as it is actually relevant to some work I am currently doing! The NICEIC (National Inspection Council for Electrical Installation Contractors) have a book which lists the top 50 calls to their technical helpline, they are closely (very) linked with the ESC (Electrical Safety Council). I have summarised below in my own words, as to copy verbatim would perhaps be a breach of copyright. They have Q18, socket outlets (s.o.) near sinks. BS7671(2008) does NOT specify a minimum distance... However reg. 512.2.1 does apply, which requires consideration against external influences, in this case water. It goes on, to avoid splashing this is taken in domestic premises to mean BS1363 socket outlets should be ideally 1m away from the sink. In many cases this is impractical and thus 300mm is the minimum. For commercial premises the same principle applies... However the decision is down to the designer, who should be competent! It may require BS EN 60309 outlets protected to IPx4 or above. IP codes describe the resistance of electrical equipment to ingress from foreign bodies. The first numeral indicates the resistance to solids the second to fluids. BS76571 Reg. 512.2.1 states, again summarised in my own words, that equipment shall be suitably designed for the situation or mode of use and the conditions where it is used shall be taken into account. This is expanded in IET GN1 - Selection & Erection. The only additional relevant information is in appendix C where by it recommends that s.o. are above sink level and at least 300m horizontally from the sink top edge. BS4163:2007 goes on further from this that in addition to the requirements of BS7671:2008 for protection of socket outlets for use by ordinary persons below 20 amp rated being protected by 30mA (milliAmp = 0.001 amps (A), 30mA = 0.03A) Residual Current Devices (RCD) that all s.o. in food areas must be supplied via 30mA RCD. Where water may be present then the s.o. must be protected by a 10mA RCD, all non time delayed. BS7671 also has a requirement for discrimination of RCD's, this is now absolute in the 17th (2008). This applies to all works on fixed electrical installations undertaken since 30th June 2008. Hope this helps, if I can help any more please shout, if anyone wants me to explain the abbreviations etc I will gladly.