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#1 Posted : 14 July 2009 11:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By bill strachan1
Hi All,
I'm looking for a bit of guidance relating to safe wind speeds for working at height.

I have plenty of information relating to lifting operations, but was wondering if anyone out there had a figure in mind for maximum safe wind speed for personnel working on incomplete structures I.E. scaffolders and steel erectors?
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#2 Posted : 14 July 2009 12:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Merchant
It's not as easy as giving you a number - it depends on the nature and altitude of the location, the work, what's below the location and what the ambient temperature is.

The generally-accepted maximum windspeed for unprotected work is around 18m/s (BS5975), but that's only accounting for the physical ability of the operative to retain balance, and not on any wind-chill or risk to persons from falling objects. You have to risk-assess per-site per-day and per-task.
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#3 Posted : 14 July 2009 12:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By bill strachan1
Thanks Dave,

18 m/s sounds like a sensible figure.

There is no issues with altitude or windchill in the geographical location I am working in, just a hot barn desert with a hot gusting wind around 35 - 40 Km per hour
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#4 Posted : 14 July 2009 12:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
The National Roofing Contractors Federation publish "Cladding and Roofing in Windy Conditions" which I recommend to my people. Wind Speeds -v- activities etc. are quoted.
Only a few quid.
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#5 Posted : 14 July 2009 16:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By alex mccreadie
BS7121 7M/S for Man Riding Duties.

Regards Alex
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#6 Posted : 14 July 2009 17:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Larry
What do the manufacturers say?
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#7 Posted : 14 July 2009 20:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By GeoffB4
Manufacturers of what? The scaffolding?
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#8 Posted : 14 July 2009 21:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Larry
Manufacturers are required to provide guidance with respect to operating criteria. No matter what the item used for working at height is. So asking them has to be a viable option.
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#9 Posted : 14 July 2009 21:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Larry
Oops hit the wrong button too early. Meant to add.....

Its safe access and egress that counts. So if access is via a scaffold and that is the means of access and thus the weak link, then that is where the restriction should be.
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#10 Posted : 15 July 2009 04:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By bill strachan1
Thanks Larry,

Unfortunately I work in a location where manufacturers of steel and scaffold companys could not really care a jot about wind speeds. The reality is that there is no criteria or guidance in place for this part of the world and I was looking for some sensible thoughts and help from the forum which I have already received.

Thanks again for your valid response



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#11 Posted : 15 July 2009 09:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By GeoffB4
I understood your question to relate to danger to riggers or similar working at height and the dangers to them being buffeted and or blown off a structure, not the structure itself.

A search in the archives from when I climbed in the CAA gave the following.

Their words (dated from a 10 page 1995 brochure) say:

It is recommended authorised access climbers should not attempt climbs at mean wind speeds of greater than 20 knots (23mph) at the working height, and due account MUST be taken of gusting.

The work it relates to is new build and maintenance of wooden/metal radio and radar masts located all over the UK and in various hostile terrains.

Can copy you the brochure but it may now be out of date.
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#12 Posted : 15 July 2009 09:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By bill strachan1
Thanks Geoff,

Yes you are spot on.

It is a rather interesting challenge we have here. We are in the middle of constructing a very large GTL plant and we have around 48,000 Nepalese, Indian and Philippino workers who are climbing all over racks and vessels. We are experiencing some unseasonal high winds at the moment and the grown ups cannot seem to make a decision on what is deemed a safe or unsafe wind speed to work in.

I take on board the previous response from Dave regarding specific R/A's for each job, but unfortunately we do not have the level of competent supervision to achieve this - hence the consideration of setting a maximum wind speed where no work is allowed to be performed on incomplete structures.

I would be grateful to anyone who could let me know if they have adopted a similar approach.
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#13 Posted : 15 July 2009 11:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Larry
Bill. I have a greater understanding of your issue. I pictured a building wrapped in scaffolding.

Have you tried the Royal Air Force?

RAF Digby in Lincolnshire is the home of the aerial erection school. These guys and gals go up towers that would made your eyes water. If you contact them they may not be able to help you but may know a man that does.

http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafdigby

Best of luck
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#14 Posted : 15 July 2009 11:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By robin stowell
I conduct safety inspections/audits on wind turbines at 80-100m high. Generally the maximum wind speed for climbing (inside) or working on top is set by the manufacturers and operators at 15 m/s.

Robin
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