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Posted By Luke.
Hi All,
I want to look at reducing the companies training costs by running some courses in-house.
The first one i want to look at is Working at Height, it isn't a major part of what we do, but it happens from time to time...
I understand the competence side of things.
Just want to know what is legally required to teach this course and what is best practice?
Thanks,
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Posted By Bob Youel
if you are not already a trained trainer/teacher I would advise that you become one as the higher the risk the more competent the trainer etc needs to be & WAH is high risk
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Posted By Luke.
Hi Bob,
Agree, it has been suggested that i carry out the C&G 7307.
In regards to the actual working at height content though, naturally i should do a course on this but which one?
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Posted By Stuff4blokes
Luke, there is no law that says you need a qualification to do internal training, just to have competence, which as we have said many times on here is not the same.
Safe WAH is a subject that can be simple or complex. Is your WAH occasional step ladder use or scaffolders and steeplejacks type exposures?
If you truly know your subject and can transfer that knowledge and/or skill, are confident that you will not miss anything crucial, then go for it.
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Posted By Luke.
Cheers stuff4blokes.
The only issue i am not comfortable with is harnesses and would like to go on a course myself first to buff up my knowledge.
Our work will be the occasional mewp work, leading edge every so often...
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Posted By Dave Merchant
"leading edge every so often" makes all the difference in the world - now you're talking about work positioning and fall arrest, and anyone even thinking about teaching that needs to be qualified and experienced not only in the topic, but in PPE inspection, rescue and probably anchor point installation. Letting someone loose as an instructor who hasn't even done the course as a student is negligent to the point of insanity. SODOTO is for surgeons.
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Posted By Luke.
Hi Dave,
I agree.
i would ideally like to cover the aspects of working at height, dangers, risks, what to look out for etc... and send the guys on a specific harness course, as i wouldn't want that on my conscience.
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Posted By Dave Merchant
In that case I suggest talking to one of the major WAH training companies (Lyon, NARC, TAG, Spanset, Total, etc. etc.) about their route to an "awareness" train-the-trainer course. They'll all want you to have done the course and have experience in teaching and the topics covered, plus if there's any practical at all they'll insist on the kind of stuff I mentioned above.
There is, uniquely, a British standard for WAH training - BS8454 - which all reputable training providers should follow, but in-house and self-employed trainers can only adopt some aspects of it as it demands ISO-style auditing of a company as a whole. It does however give you a guide to how much an instructor needs to know, and what needs to be in a syllabus.
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Posted By alan brotherton
Re -safety harness training.
I noticed earlier in the thread mention of safety harnesses and relevant training. I did a "train the trainer" course for safety harness and ladder restraint system and followed it up with an inspector's course which qualifies you to inspect the equipment to manufacturer's requirements each year or as may be required.
This knowledge was then passed on by "in house" training to fitters using the equipment.
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Posted By garymn
This is a very informative thread:
I would like to add further questions to this discussion;
Once operatives have received training do they need to have refresher training? If so to what frequency should they be carried out?
Lastly what are the minimum legislative trainer requirements? NEBOSH Cert? Trainer quals or NVQ etc...
BR
Mark
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Posted By Dave Merchant
WAH courses with practical elements usually expire in 1 to 3 years, depending on the training provider or certificate issuer. The less you use the skills, the more important your refresher training is.
There's no legislated requirement for an instructor to be qualified, only that they are competent. However each training provider has their own rules, and the issuing authorities (IRATA, IPAF, BWEA, etc.) set strict requirements about experience and qualifications for people to instruct on their courses.
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