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#1 Posted : 20 July 2009 15:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By HarveyJ Ladies & Gentlemen, I need some assistance. We are a manufacturing company but a recent external ESH audit has raised a CDM finding against us. 'It would be advisable to ensure that a number of key people are trained on the CDM 2007 Regulations in relation to the Company's responsibilities for building or maintenance work.' Has anyone got any tips or even a presentation on the key features of CDM 2007 so that I could train it out to our maintenance engineers and satisfy this requirement Regards, John
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#2 Posted : 20 July 2009 15:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By TDsafety I would suggest you put some of your maintenance team on a Site managers Safety Training Scheme course. These are ran by the Construction skills team of the CITB or National Construction College. A five day course with quite abit about CDM and planning works.
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#3 Posted : 20 July 2009 15:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Harvey Competence hould you be training for a subject that you know little about? You are fortunate that nothing untoward has not occurred wrt building and maintenance otherwise the HSE would be asking hard questions. Your question also shows that you are not conversant with the full implications of CDM 07 as it is not just the engineers themselves who are affected but the whole of the organisation. Invite an IT engineer in to install cables and you are commencing construction work subject to CDM 07. You do need an experienced construction trainer to assist you. Bob
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#4 Posted : 20 July 2009 15:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith Have a look at http://www.iosh.co.uk/in...?go=courses.cpd_calendar
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#5 Posted : 21 July 2009 08:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete Sutton email sent john
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#6 Posted : 21 July 2009 17:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson SMSTS Kerpoppycock - this is the qualification for Construction site managers this IMHO would be OTT. Your business I presume has nothing to do with construction so suggest you read the clients duties and would appoint a CDMC to help if you ever need it. see this link for free advice / downloads http://www.cskills.org/s...afety/cdmregs/index.aspx
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#7 Posted : 21 July 2009 17:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson Would suggest also that your external consultant needs a 'bit of a slap' / explore the reasons why he thinks this? Done the audit / raised an issue / no advice on how to comply / left site / pay me!! Sucks!!!
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#8 Posted : 21 July 2009 17:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson And another thing have a shifty mate http://www.hse.gov.uk/construction/cdm.htm
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#9 Posted : 21 July 2009 17:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By TDsafety Dave, i think SMSTS is not only for site managers of construction. It also is useful for anybody getting involved with maintenance, design and other Consruction type activities.
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#10 Posted : 21 July 2009 17:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By TDsafety Dave, i think SMSTS is not only for site managers of construction. It also is useful for anybody getting involved with maintenance, design and other Consruction type activities.
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#11 Posted : 21 July 2009 17:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By TDsafety Dave, i think SMSTS is not only for site managers of construction. It also is useful for anybody getting involved with maintenance, design and other Consruction type activities.
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#12 Posted : 21 July 2009 17:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By TDsafety Dave, i think SMSTS is not only for site managers of construction. It also is useful for anybody getting involved with maintenance, design and other Consruction type activities.
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#13 Posted : 21 July 2009 17:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By TDsafety Dave, i think SMSTS is not only for site managers of construction. It also is useful for anybody getting involved with maintenance, design and other Consruction type activities.
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#14 Posted : 21 July 2009 17:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By TDsafety Dave, i think SMSTS is not only for site managers of construction. It also is useful for anybody getting involved with maintenance, design and other Consruction type activities.
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#15 Posted : 21 July 2009 17:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By TDsafety Dave, i think SMSTS is not only for site managers of construction. It also is useful for anybody getting involved with maintenance, design and other Consruction type activities.
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#16 Posted : 21 July 2009 17:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By TDsafety Dave, i think SMSTS is not only for site managers of construction. It also is useful for anybody getting involved with maintenance, design and other Consruction type activities.
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#17 Posted : 21 July 2009 17:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By TDsafety Dave, i think SMSTS is not only for site managers of construction. It also is useful for anybody getting involved with maintenance, design and other Consruction type activities.
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#18 Posted : 21 July 2009 17:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By TDsafety Dave, i think SMSTS is not only for site managers of construction. It also is useful for anybody getting involved with maintenance, design and other Consruction type activities.
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#19 Posted : 21 July 2009 17:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By TDsafety Dave, i think SMSTS is not only for site managers of construction. It also is useful for anybody getting involved with maintenance, design and other Consruction type activities.
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#20 Posted : 21 July 2009 17:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By TDsafety Dave, i think SMSTS is not only for site managers of construction. It also is useful for anybody getting involved with maintenance, design and other Consruction type activities.
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#21 Posted : 21 July 2009 17:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By TDsafety Dave, i think SMSTS is not only for site managers of construction. It also is useful for anybody getting involved with maintenance, design and other Consruction type activities.
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#22 Posted : 21 July 2009 17:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By TDsafety Dave, i think SMSTS is not only for site managers of construction. It also is useful for anybody getting involved with maintenance, design and other Consruction type activities.
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#23 Posted : 21 July 2009 17:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By TDsafety Dave, i think SMSTS is not only for site managers of construction. It also is useful for anybody getting involved with maintenance, design and other Consruction type activities.
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#24 Posted : 21 July 2009 17:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By TDsafety Dave, i think SMSTS is not only for site managers of construction. It also is useful for anybody getting involved with maintenance, design and other Consruction type activities.
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#25 Posted : 21 July 2009 17:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By TDsafety Dave, i think SMSTS is not only for site managers of construction. It also is useful for anybody getting involved with maintenance, design and other Consruction type activities.
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#26 Posted : 21 July 2009 17:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By TDsafety Dave, i think SMSTS is not only for site managers of construction. It also is useful for anybody getting involved with maintenance, design and other Consruction type activities.
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#27 Posted : 22 July 2009 17:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson Are you honestly suggesting that a maintenance engineer from a manufacturing company needs an SMSTS?
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#28 Posted : 22 July 2009 18:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi Are you referring to "the part of CDM" before what was previously Construction(Health,Safety & Welfare) Regulations 1996 became included in CDM 2007?? I think the term CDM is more often than not applied to the non-Health,Safety & Welfare aspect! If you want to have an awareness so that you can assess the thresholds for certain duties, notifications and documentation, an awareness course should be sufficient-so that you know when to bring in more expertise. IOSH and several other training providers do such courses.
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#29 Posted : 22 July 2009 20:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Jay I think it a common error to believe Part IV of the regulations, the modified CHSWR regs part, is the only part of CDM07 to apply to all construction work. Part I also applies and it contains some key duties. Like many organisations I think Harvey's saw themselves as outside the regulations and the auditor was raising, rightly, the issue. S/he was however wrong to see it merely in the light of awareness training for some people and the work that is undertaken. CDM applies whenever the organisation performs or commissions construction work. A weakness in CDM 07 is also indicative of some other serious failings in the management system. As Jay suggests there is a need for training by specialist construction trainers, it is not an area fro those not familiar with the application of the regulations. Bob
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#30 Posted : 22 July 2009 23:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter John, I would take the term "key people" to apply to the employer and/or his source of competent H&S advice (and I guess that might be you), not the workforce. Depending on the nature of the work, you may well find that your maintenance engineers already 'know' (by virtue of existing training, experience etc.) all that they need to 'know' about the standards required by any applicable parts of the CDM Regs. I would maybe focus on the CDM Client knowledge requirements. You could always ask the Auditor to clarify.
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#31 Posted : 23 July 2009 09:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Sorry Looking back I meant Part II not part I as stated. Blame having a screw removed from your leg under local anaesthetic! Bob
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