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#1 Posted : 22 July 2009 15:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Manny A couple of questions: 1. Is there any evidence od someone being harmed by a microwave (not by dropping it on their foot) 2. Is there a requirement to conduct a leakage test (if yes then when, what with and who conducts such a test Regards Manny
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#2 Posted : 22 July 2009 15:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By N Howell In the past i have had to investigate an incident where an electrician who was carrying out microwave leakage testing sustained a burn injury due to the microwave oven he was testing being faulty. Within the LA's I have been involved with microwave leakage testing could be provided as part of the portable appliance testing but had to be requested by the relevant manager. There used to be a relatively cheap and easy to use device for detecting microwave leakage from Maplins but I do not know if it is still available or how effective, never having used it myself.
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#3 Posted : 22 July 2009 15:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By sezm2105 Hi Manny, This should come under PAT testing. However, we in the office believe that the testing process only applies to commercial microwaves not the domestic type so depends on what you've got and if you got it from Tesco! Also, you'll need a microwave leakage detector to check for emissions and a visual inspection of the seal should take place prior to testing. Plugtest (they also sell the leakage detector) the company that carries out our PAT testing have some useful guidance in their training manual, if you can get a copy. If not let me know and I'll email it to you. Regarding people being injured, back in the day cataracts were common but apart from putting your back out due to incorrect lifting I've not heard of any problems other than burning your fingers on reheated coffee! Regards, Sarah
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#4 Posted : 22 July 2009 15:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi Refer to HSE Operations Circular on Electromagnetic fields (EMFs) and radiation at:- http://www.hse.gov.uk/fo...fod/oc/400-499/497_1.pdf In appendix 1, there is a sample risk assessment of Microwave oven EMF risk assessment ! It implies there there is no need to do a test if the door/seals and interlock etc are ok and clean and undamaged
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#5 Posted : 22 July 2009 15:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim I know of PA test equipment that came with a microwave door leakage device, it looked like a screwdriver and you just run it around the door seal while the oven is operating. No idea where to get it though?
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#6 Posted : 22 July 2009 15:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Hoskins Not sure how useful/accurate the cheap testers are, but when using one you must place a cup of water (or something) in the oven... I believe that commecial microwaves are tested annually, but not the usual domestic types found in office kitchens/common rooms. As has been mentioned before, it is most important that the door seal is undamaged and kept clean.
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#7 Posted : 22 July 2009 16:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Zunda "but when using one you must place a cup of water (or something) in the oven..." That's because microwave ovens should not be used without something to heat, it's part of the oven oeprating instructions rather than required by the tester.
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#8 Posted : 22 July 2009 16:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Hoskins I don't think that's all there is to it Peter. If none of the waves are being absorbed it is likely to give an incorrect reading as the microwave is not being used within its defined parameters. There is always (or should be) something in the oven to absorb waves during normal use. Only my opinion though...
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#9 Posted : 22 July 2009 16:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Zunda Alan, same point, different words. That's one of the difficulties with posting rather than talking ...... Peter.
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#10 Posted : 22 July 2009 19:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By martinw Sorry Peter still not getting a word of it. Must be the accent......me duck Martin ;-)
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#11 Posted : 23 July 2009 02:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Richards You need something in the oven because otherwise the reflected radiation will cause damage to the unit. All microwave ovens exhibit some sort of leakage, most of the "testers" are nothing more than a diode probe...even an ordinary analogue multimeter on the ac range will show "leakage" when the probes are waved in front of the oven....
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#12 Posted : 23 July 2009 09:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By GeoffB4 Crim, you mentioned on another thread about people burning their insides with microwaves - have you got a reference we could look at?
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#13 Posted : 23 July 2009 09:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim That's something I read somewhere many years ago, don't remember where but it did stick with me. Think about it, what does it do to food? If it cooks food but escapes through the door seal then what would it do to you? How far do the waves travel?
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#14 Posted : 23 July 2009 11:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Hoskins The big scare when microwave oves became popular (late 1970's?) was cataracts. Not that anyone would stand staring into an oven of course - would they? A very big leak to burn someone just standing near an oven...
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#15 Posted : 23 July 2009 17:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Tassell (2) Guys, there's a good explanation on wikipedia at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven The one thing it doesn't refer to is ICNIRP (try googling it!) standards, which are incorporated in the design standards for these ovens. Remember, it's sealed to keep the energy in so for there to be leakage there has to be a hole in the enclosure. Apart from people who do crass things with them (sit on them...?), this is only likely because of a door seal or interlock problem. So, door seal examination for burnt crud and check of correct operation of the interlock are the things that matter. NB - pizza topping seems to cause more burnt-on crud than anything else. The visual indicators are OK as a backstop check for domestic units.
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