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Posted By Brian Hagyard
Just to play devils advocate!
Does anyone know the definition of 12 months or 6 months under LOLAR? (I admit I dont)
I assume that an examination is undertaken either 6 or 12 (calendar) months after the previous.
So if I had equipment thoroughly examined on the 1st February 2009 and it was a six month (lifting people)examination I assume it would need re examininig on 1st May 2009 and then again on 1st Feb 2010.
that's 181 days between 1st and 2nd inspection and 184 between 2nd and third. So that's 6 months between but 3 days different and then again what happens in a leap year how is the extra day(s) safety critical?
Brian
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Posted By Coshh Assessor
It's very clear cut. The date the next test is due by is written on the certificate.
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Posted By Jay Joshi
Bob, I am with you on this one.
Obviously, we do not know the nature of the equipment and its risk profile, but a judgement call is made to determine whether a piece of kit is "safe to use" a couple of days after the expiry of its TE certificate.
I have provided similar advice in-house after getting sound technical/engineering input, but recorded its risk assessment and the final decision is taken at very senior level.
It should not be a matter of routine that TE deadlines are missed--a one off scenario is one thing, but repeat occurrences quite another.
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Posted By Chris Kelly
Jay
I suggest you read the rest of this thread.
Regards
Chris
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Posted By Toe
If you can prove that your lifting equipment is not exposed to conditions that can cause deterioration e.g. infrequently used, used inside a building and well maintained (clutching at straws here) then could this mean that you may not need thorough examinations?
Did I just contradict my previous post!
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Posted By Dave Merchant
Toe - yes, that is indeed the case, and sometimes we use that premise (with HSE agreement) to push back the interval for inspecting factory-sealed emergency equipment. However the 'proof' is the difficult bit, as unless your item is a solid block of titanium wrapped in foam rubber and never touched, lots of things can and will cause damage over the course of 6/12 months. Certainly anything in regular use will deteriorate, and at an unpredictable speed - hence the creation of LOLER in the first place.
If you use a textile rope once, but part of it brushes against a chemical, then put it back in stores for 5 years, it'll stand a fair chance of being ruined. Most people will only ever remember it sitting "new" on the shelf, and LOLER is written precisely to catch things like that. Once an item *has* been exposed to conditions likely to cause deterioration (even for a split second), at least one TE will be required, with a resultant expiry date. It's an intentional Pandora's Box - you can't un-open it.
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Posted By Andy Hemsworth
On a slightly different note, does anybody know where I can obtain training to carry out TE of telehandlers?
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Posted By John Packer
Andy,
Try contacting the manufacturers.
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Posted By Andy Hemsworth
Thanks for that, I was starting to think it was the best way anyhow.
regards
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