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#1 Posted : 29 July 2009 09:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Denman Does the media's presentation of H&S stories really affect the view of safety any more than any other profession such as traffic wardens, police etc and does this have a measurable influence on accidents? I.e Does a companies negitive view of health & safety from media stories change the way it acts, that results in increased accidents?
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#2 Posted : 29 July 2009 09:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp James I doubt if anyone can answer these questions, particularly with regards to accidents. Negative media coverage is very annoying for those working in the profession. Partly because many stories have been twisted beyond the true facts and also it undermines much of the good work that goes into protecting peoples' health, safety and welfare. No profession wants to be the butt of constant jokes - whether it is deserved is a moot point. Ray
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#3 Posted : 29 July 2009 09:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Denman The reason I ask is that I am thinking of using this topic for my up coming MSc and am interested in what people think, or what debate might arise from this type of question. Is it possible that 'all publicity is good publicity' in that it gets people thinking about the subject rather than never considering it?
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#4 Posted : 29 July 2009 09:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By martinw Not in all cases. The publicity regarding MPs and their expenses has not exactly been beneficial to them, but it could be argued that it has been beneficial to the majority of us if the worst offenders have effectively been named and shamed so that we do not vote for them or they do not stand at the next election. As regards health and safety, positive messages only come from interested parties such as IOSH or ROSPA. The tabloids use it as a source of ridicule and the other media only report the worst cases and the associated deaths and jail sentences.
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#5 Posted : 29 July 2009 09:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis “Safety” is a very broad field and anyone can shove anything in it’s remits. Media plays an important role in every society, hence is responsible to highlight any ‘ill’ decisions and acts in every sector. We as a HSE professionals take more notice of safety related articles, whilst ignoring others. As Ray mentioned earlier, there are some elements of media which ‘twist’ the story to attract readers, however, we still can’t blame them as if we don’t provide them a chance, they won’t have anything to ‘twist’.. IMHO – media plays an important role in the ‘improvement’ of our profession..
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#6 Posted : 29 July 2009 09:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Denman But does that ridicule is some way promote more awareness of the subject and raise greater debate that otherwise wouldn't be there?
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#7 Posted : 29 July 2009 09:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Denman 'Improvement of our profession' seems a very good point. Do you think there has been an improvement in the last few years?
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#8 Posted : 29 July 2009 10:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis Yes, certainly evidence includes; Available statistics More companies with competent H&S professional More legislation
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#9 Posted : 29 July 2009 10:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan James Rigorous research, preferably quantitive as well as qualitative, on the topic you choose could be very productive (and possibly profitable in the medium term). Most of the dominant institutional influences in safety, including the HSE and the IOSH, largely rely on a particular model of communication, based on signal theory. The media span a host of other models, and the public yet many more. You'd be well advised to study good guides to theories of communication and of social psychology before finalising the commitment of your research. Some excellent ones have been published in the last few years including 'A First Look at Communication Theory', E Griffin, McGraw Hill, 7 edition, 2009; and 'Introduction to Social Psychology. A European Perspective', eds. M Hewstone, W. Stroebe and K Jonas, BPS/Blackwell, 4th edition.2008
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#10 Posted : 29 July 2009 10:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Denman Thank you for that, I will check those out.
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#11 Posted : 29 July 2009 11:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By ColinPink I agree with Kieran This could turn out to be massive and a very good peice of work. Its very difficult to do this on open subjective topics whilst drawing proveable conclusions. Make sure you dicuss the this with your tutor in detail so it doesn't become to open and wooly you want to be able to draw conclusions at the end. Good luck and ensure you have large vats of coffee.
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#12 Posted : 29 July 2009 13:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eddie James, I often use a discussion around the media and people's perceptions of health & safety as a sort of ice breaker on IOSH Managing Safely and Risk Assessment courses. From my experience, most people's perception of H&S is formed by negative press coverage. I can think of very few instances where anyone has quoted a positive story as determining how they feel about the topic. Plus of course most of the press stories tend to be around very emotive subjects - cancelled parades, banning Christmas decoration, suncream in children's nurseries etc etc. Which helps to fuel the negativity. Would be very interested in your research. Regards E
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#13 Posted : 29 July 2009 13:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan One of the curious facts about representations of health and safety in the media appears to involve how safety professionals apparently do NOT notice and recall positive examples of application of safety understanding. For example, there was a brilliant example on last Sunday's 'Dragons Den' programme on BBC2 at 7.00 p.m. One of the folk asking for an investment demonstrated a device she had invented and explained, at least twice, hos whe had applied her knowledge of quality and safety and health at work to recognise the opportunity. An immediate outcome of her presentation was that 4 of the 5 'Dragons' competed to invest in her business and she went off with agreement for an investment 60% higher than she had asked for. Like a lot of good safety interventions, her investion was simple, practical and modestly priced as well as serving the stated objectives of improving quality and controlling risks. Curious how such a good example has not been commented on even on this discussion forum where it is not unusual to observe dismay about media distortion. Balanced media research pays due attention to all valid information, not simply those instances that reinforce simplistic stereotypes. Precisely becuase it's so difficult to portray fairly, media representations of safety excellent should be acknowledged as good media coverage without distortion.
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#14 Posted : 29 July 2009 15:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Denman I did see that episode of Dragron's Den and am as guilty as everyone else for not commenting on the positive side that it showed for our profession. It is curious that people don't like discussing positive stories. Why is that?
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#15 Posted : 29 July 2009 15:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis Because we can’t even find the time to discuss ‘negative’ stories which are always on priority list and needs our attention (for discussion most of the time)… Positive stories on the other hand are for information where no discussion is necessary.
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#16 Posted : 29 July 2009 15:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Denman But wouldn't spreading the word of positive stories and talking about them help cancel out some of the negative ones? Or is it that we all would rather be moaning? (I say that lightheartedly)
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#17 Posted : 29 July 2009 15:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis spreading the word of positive stories does not cancel out some of the negative ones. You can only cancel out the negative ones by addressing them appropriately. Not to forget that these so called ‘negative’ stories in media are nothing to do with health and safety. (most a mere decisions made on the name of health and safety)
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#18 Posted : 29 July 2009 15:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan The observation 'Positive stories on the other hand are for information where no discussion is necessary' is a revealing illustration of signal theory, which assumes that there is only one meaning of the word 'positive'. The unavoidable difficulty about communicating about safety lies in the nature of leadership and, even more especially, of followership in organsiations. Educating all employees, including managers, to follow the leadership of safety profesionals is a path for positive transformation of safety at work and is only possibe through discussion about positive achievements rather than injuections of lagal and technical information .
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#19 Posted : 29 July 2009 15:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis I’m sorry but I believe that educating employees comes under the remit of ‘information’ rather than ‘discussion’. Furthermore, Is there any point to spend hours of discussion on something which is mutually agreed by all parties.
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#20 Posted : 29 July 2009 16:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By John A Wright Along with others on this thread, I don't agree that 'Positive stories on the other hand are for information where no discussion is necessary'. As a consultant I am constantly gathering positive stories from customers that I can share with other customers to encourage good practice that will reduce chances of injury/accidents etc. A simple one: one customer put a pair of goggles in a glass case in their main foyer with a little plaque. The point being that the goggles were damaged - one lense was severely cracked due to a projectile impact, the goggles had saved an employee's sight in one eye, possibly saved his life. I don't expect the company and the local newspaper ran a story about the goggles saving an employee's sight, but I expect if he hadn't worn the goggles there would have been a story there! John Wright
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#21 Posted : 29 July 2009 16:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis John, "A simple one: one customer put a pair of goggles in a glass case in their main foyer with a little plaque. The point being that the goggles were damaged - one lense was severely cracked due to a projectile impact, the goggles had saved an employee's sight in one eye, possibly saved his life." This is informative...how would you discuss it...
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#22 Posted : 29 July 2009 16:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis 'Positive stories on the other hand are for information where no discussion is necessary' I think the words ‘information’ and ‘necessary’ are invisible to some people..
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#23 Posted : 29 July 2009 16:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By martinw Come on Swis the goggles tale is one which could elucidate a question from someone visiting who potentially had not thought of using them before for their own workers, say. It definitely could be a discussion point, and any such discussion would automatically give evidence of good practice and a 'caring' mindset. Something can be informative and discussed. What are we doing?
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#24 Posted : 29 July 2009 16:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis 'Positive stories on the other hand are for information where no discussion is necessary' I think the words ‘information’ and ‘necessary’ are invisible to some people..
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#25 Posted : 29 July 2009 17:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By John A Wright Swis, >>the goggles had saved an employee's sight in one eye, possibly saved his life." >This is informative...how would you discuss it... Oh Swis, ggrrr, maybe you're in the wrong job ;o) John
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#26 Posted : 30 July 2009 05:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan James At one point watching last night's broadcast of 'Dragon's Den' on BBC2, I thought of your original question, 'Does the media's presentation of H&S stories really affect the view of safety any more than any other profession such as traffic wardens, police etc and does this have a measurable influence on accidents?' Again in the course of this broadcast, a constructive, intelligent, brief reference to 'safety' emerged in an entirely positive and appropriate way. It occurred when Ballantyne said he wouldn't invest in a product on safety grounds, based on the illustration offered by the bidder. I'm bringing this to your attention for 3 reasons: 1. the BBC(and possibly some other media) does invest considerable care to how safety is constructed in its programmes, as you can check by talking to its own safety specialists. 2. 'H & S stories' include discusssions, documentaries and dramas in which safety is represented as an integral, organic part of the story and its a matter for research to determine how influential these are by contrast wtih biased, ill-informed reports 3. Adopting a set of mindsets (or 'theories') larger than the dominant theory espoused within the safety profession, enables you to pay due attention to the full range of media representations of safety and health matter and the scale of possible influence on accidents you may wish to research.
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#27 Posted : 30 July 2009 09:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp The 'goggles' story is also representative of health and safety per se. For example, no accidents or incidents are often taken for granted. In this respect it is difficult to quantify the effectiveness of health and safety measures. The inputs are often huge, but in the main undetectable, assuming there are no accidents of course. Ray
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#28 Posted : 30 July 2009 09:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel advertising via whatever source must have a great effect on any subject it concentrates on as if it did not the marketing industry would collapse / use other media The point here is that if those with influence want to do something they use the tools at their disposal to do it and people respond accordingly e.g if we had a appropriate celebs advocating good H&S practice attitudes would change overnight & VV
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#29 Posted : 30 July 2009 10:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By martinw As long as it is done sensibly. What I mean is that it is traditional for news reports in this country to be bad news. Contrast that with old-style Russian news which was all good news/declarations of success etc. There is a line to be drawn. Also, imagine if the celebrities were not selected properly. What determines appropriateness? Those who are trustworthy or those who are accident prone and therefore are regrettably aware of the need for health and safety? The impact would be intersting between Trevor MacDonald versus the Chuckle Brothers advertising H&S.......
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#30 Posted : 30 July 2009 13:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By John J Yes it does and a good example is breast cancer studies. Surveys found that 56% of members of public estimated that age was not a factor in breast cancer. Only 0.7% correctly identified that is was more likely in women 80+. One of the reasons behind this is that the media stories generally portay a picture of a young woman along with the article (cancer groups do the same) or focus on the rarer cases where a young women is, sadly, affected. Our perception of the risk has been massively schewed in order to sell papers
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#31 Posted : 31 July 2009 15:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jez Corfield The perception of H&S is entirely different in the media, with the public and at the workplace. I view the negative press attention as a 'good' thing - it keeps us on our toes and helps prevents us H&S Folks from trivializing H&S. If I constantly have to justify my actions, and can do so against the sceptics, then my arguments are sound. Real people in real jobs dont take their queue from the mail or the express anyway, they are cheap rags with no clout, the broadsheets tend to be more even handed. Either way, if and when I meet a sceptic amongst the workforce, if I can't get my point across to them, its a failure, but this just doesnt happen. Jez
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