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#1 Posted : 29 July 2009 16:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeff B Hi All, Hoping for some good advice on laser printer use in offices. We have recently installed some laser printers into a rented property (which subsequently we have found out has quite poor air conditioning - although it just about conforms) Soon after placing staff in this area we had a complaint from a person sitting beside the printer (USB system so they have to be at the end of the desk as we are only in the building for a short time) who alleged that she is suffering from a skin complaint as a result of the fumes coming out of the vent. We have subsequently moved the person but this does raise an issue, After a recent query on this subject from another member of staff I have subsequently found out that we are currently rolling this out across the estate in the same configuration and as such we have the potential for some major problems. I know the issues with fit for use and due diligence on new machinery and we are already dealing with that particular issue but has anybody else suffered from this problem and what advice could they could give to help solve this. I don't particularly want to remove these yet, although unless there are other solutions this may be the only way forward. Does anyone know if the fumes from laser printers are anywhere near the OES for Ozone? Many thanks in advance.
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#2 Posted : 29 July 2009 16:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Swis this one for Chris P..
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#3 Posted : 29 July 2009 16:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte Mailed Direct Hope it is of some help Des
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#4 Posted : 29 July 2009 17:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Tanczos Not much use to the rest of us though. I did do some HSE Policy research into this subject about 5 years ago in answer to a Member of the Public's enquiry about this. At the time Laser Printer/Copier fumes contained nothing in them covered by a WEL and a COSHH assessment would not indicate a problem. However some studies in the US (where the population base is much greater) were showing statistically significant indications of ill health associated with Laser Toner Exposure(Breathing Problems & Skin Rashes). As far as I know, nothing has changed to date and the only Legal obligation arises from the Precautionary Principle (and Common Law). Like much of our working environment these days, new technologies, chemicals and applications have meant that the Law struggles to keep apace or even quantify the "harm". Best Practice would suggest controlling "exposure" so far as is reasonably practicable (separate room for the printer)and getting a Benchmark by the use of low level health surveillance.
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#5 Posted : 29 July 2009 23:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Toe Is this a genuine H&S problem, after all laser printer have been about for some time now. If so what implications does it have throughout the world, there must be millions of laser printers out there which also will include the one that I am currently sat right next to. On a positive note, modern printers can be connected via wifi which can enable them to be located away from staff workstations.
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#6 Posted : 30 July 2009 07:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Flic I have encountered printers/photocopiers which have emitted significant quantities of ozone. However, the smell is very strong, and the equipment was only doing so because it had developed a fault. Once it was fixed, there was no further problem. I suggest you have a word with the service engineers. If you are concerned about ozone, it is possible to purchase environmental testing papers (patches that you leave and monitor to see if they change colour). Flic
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#7 Posted : 30 July 2009 09:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeff B All, Thank you for your responses it has been yet again been interesting to see the varying opinions and thoughts on this. Thanks to Flic for the info into testing papers I will certainly look into this. Thanks also to Descarte who sent me a piece on the use of laser printers (Ozone does actually have an OES of 0.2ppm over a 15 minute reference period) Once again thanks for you responses and if anyone has any more thoughts please add to the list. Regards Jeff
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#8 Posted : 30 July 2009 10:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart Hamilton Jeff Have you checked the humidity? It can often be the case in areas where ventilation is not as good as it can be that the various bits of IT equipment dry out the atmosphere and this can cause dryness of skin, and potentially rashes etc if the employee already has a skin condition then this likelihood may be greater. There are often simple solutions to this one if humidity is found to be low Ozone is still a possible culprit and some simple testing can identify if it is present (diffusion tubes etc) , but other potential "bad guys" can't be ruled out at this stage. Stuart
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#9 Posted : 30 July 2009 12:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter F. I have come across this although it took the person sometime to complain and even now is unsure as they have not had any testing completed. I did suggest however that we remove all the small 'personal' type printers and install a main printer in a room with good ventilation. Had very little problem regarding the issue from a financial point of view, but all the admin workers kicked up a fuss when they realised that they would have to walk to collect printing. I did explain that they would be given individual codes so they can collect all printing at once. To listen to them you would think it was going to be a ten day camel ride.
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#10 Posted : 31 July 2009 00:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter Speak to your IT people about USB cable lengths. Whilst there is a practical limit on the length of "ordinary" USB, systems with power boost USB are available. This should allow you a lot more flexibility?
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