Posted By Kenneth Patrick yes

Posted By martinw Barry this should clarify if you have not already looked. http://www.the-sia.org.u...legislation/psia_3-6.htm Martin

Posted By martinw Yes - hand in the pocket time and wallet swiftly coming out. Maximum penalty on conviction £5000 for you and each of the bods working for you. Duty is on the person working in licensable role to have a license: those supervising also have to have a licence as you correctly stated. I think the cost is £245 per person which lasts 3 years. You may have to do it asap as the processing of the applications can take weeks. Bear in mind that you and your guys are currently not licenced and therefore you may neeed to get contract security in while the applications are processed. This could also affect your current insurance cover? Ring up SIA for advice, they are normally pretty good. Long time since I was in security management! Martin

Posted By Barry Bruce Hi Martin, thanks for that. I took your advice and phoned the SIA. Confused............you soon will be!!! Strangely, contrary to what we both thought, our staff do not require a licence becuase they are appointed staff employed by our organisation! Not fully understanding their logic or reasoning behind it to be honest, but I did query it with the advisor at SIA and he says they will definetly not require a licence. I however, will require one! Or maybe I will get my HSE Officer to get the licence...........

Posted By Barry Bruce Cheers Martin, I find it a bit bizarre and confusing to be honest - like you I thought they would require it as we employ one security guard under contract and he has a licence. I might phone again and double check - the thought of sharing a cell with BIG Sandy at Her Majesty's Hotel doesnt bode well...............

Posted By martinw http://www.opsi.gov.uk/a...en/ukpgaen_20010012_en_1 Have a look at paragraph 19 in the explanatory section Barry. Your company is not part of the Security Industry therefore that is why your guys do not require licences: they are just employees of your company who happen to be carrying out security duties. Idea is that you will hopefully already have checked them out etc, whereas you would not have the opportunity to do this for supplied security staff. Cheers Martin

Posted By Simon Shaw I also manage a team of in-house security officers. There is no requirement to licence in-house security staff, including yourself, so long as they are working on your site. If you contract in any guarding, for example to cover illness, then the contract guard must be licensed. We also have cctv, and there is no requirement to have SIA licenced cctv operators for in-house cctv. http://www.the-sia.org.u...t_sia/news/nr_090507.htm So, just to sum-up .......... if in-house, no licensing required.

Posted By FAH To all respondents here Apart from helping Bruce out heere gents; you've also provided me with some very useful info that I was going to need shortly - a huge "Thank You"! It never ceases to amaze me at the genuine nuggets of gold that surface on this forum. Frank Hallett