Posted By Swis An old lady gets angry when her local hospital banned the sale of her handmade dolls for health and safety resons. http://www.gazettelive.c...ng-dolls-84229-24275831/

Posted By garyh Andy why so rude? It was reported on local TV as being on H&S grounds.

Posted By Peter Zunda "Health and Safety" appears in the headline and throughout the article, it's only at the end where Trading Standards is mentioned! Why spoil a good story with the truth ...

Posted By Peter F. Swis, I understand that you bring these articles to our attention for discussion or awareness, but you never comment on them in any way. It appears now that the articles are not debated only your posting of them.

Posted By Graham Bullough I don’t know who Swis is but he is at least finding and sharing H&S related items on this forum, so why attack the messenger? Surely there’s no obligation on anyone to express ideas and comments about thread subjects, including the threads which they post. Now, let’s have a good look at this thread’s subject: For a start, some people looking at the web article quoted by Swis might have fallen into the same trap as me initially by not seeing the full article. It continues on a second “page” which is accessed by clicking on “2” near the foot of “page” one. The second page quotes the knitting gran “It makes me very frustrated that I can’t explain it all to someone face-to-face. My dolls have no eyes to fall out and choke a child. There’s no wires to cut a child. And no paint or dye to poison a child. I am so angry and upset that this source of revenue for the nurses has been cut off with no chance of appeal.” However, the article continues with quotes from a councillor of the local authority whose trading standards department is involved: “....customers have a right to expect anything they buy is safe....I don’t think anyone would expect us to lower the standard just because something is being sold for a good cause, particularly when we’re talking about toys.....To the best of my knowledge these toys were spotted in the craft shop by our officer two years ago, they didn’t comply with the law and were quite rightly taken off sale....the law exists to keep consumers safe, not to prevent people making and selling things. As long as reasonable checks are in place to make sure the toys comply with safety standards there is no reason why they shouldn’t be sold....we help a lot of very small scale sellers and manufacturers and our officers would be happy to revisit the shop to advise the proprietors and (name of knitting gran) as to how this matter could be resolved.” Thus, the story remains unfinished. What has happened up to now appears to reflect misunderstandings and poor communication. For example, there’s no mention of what law was being breached two years ago. It may be linked to a comment in the article that toys for sale are legally required to have a “CE” conformity mark. Can anyone expand on this aspect? It will be interesting to see how this story develops, not least because there are probably numerous other volunteers in the UK knitting toys for sale by charities. Could it be that the relevant legislation is open to differing interpretations by trading standards departments throughout the UK?

Posted By Peter F. Swis, what has people being able to speak with you safety matters got to do with the postings. This month given it is only the 5th, you have made 6 postings 5 of which were links regarding a newspaper clippings. I personally don't see the point of the postings apart from raising awareness of the issues. i wasn't taking about the valuable contributions that you have made on other postings. Can you head it News Article, then that way I and others can make an informed decision if we want to look.

Posted By Peter F. Sorry thought we had the right to or not to comment as the case maybe. The point I am making is that you don't know what it is until you open it.

Posted By martinw And ther is the small matter of infection control.....

Posted By Peter F. on an open forum, you can't just decide that you are aiming something at someone else so nobody can answer. Anyway I'm bored now

Posted By Swis Peter, Read my post (Posted by Swis on Wednesday, 05 August 2009 at 11:00) carefully. You may be surprised to find that the response was address to stuff4blokes. So no need to get offended for nothing. And yes - you probably need a sleep. Dave, (o.O) (Swis getting suspeciaous and nervous)

Posted By Peter F. I did read it and as I have said this is an open forum and people can respond to ant article they like no matter who it is aimed at. any back to sleep for me.

Posted By Dave Wilson Take the point mate but I know of a little girl who if she eats ANY nuts whatsoever she could become seriously ill and die.

Posted By Peter Still Some time ago I considered buying a similar doll at a craft fair, for a new-born granddaughter, but I was a little suspicious about the stuffing used. The charming white-haired knitter told me she used sawdust for the fabric toys, but it fell through the weave (if that's the right term) of the knitted ones, so she used left overs of fibreglass loft insulation instead! I guess her customers are lucky she didn't have any asbestos! Some sellers at such fairs seem to try to get around the Toy Safety Regulations by selling similar dolls "for ornamental purposes only", which to my mind is a cop-out since they're going to end up with children anyway, so need above all to be harmless, even when chewed or dismembered. Peter