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Posted By Mark Gibson
Help please, Whilst working on a electrical lighting pillar, a member of a contractors staff was moving some Heras fencing, when they placed it up against the lighting pillar they received a electric shock. After investigating the cable, it materialised that the cable was wired incorrectly making one of the cables live when it should have been dead. Is this a reportable dangerous occurrence? The regs say that it would be if there was potential that a person could have died?
Can somebody please advise.. Should we report it or should the main contractor report it?
Thanks
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Posted By Swis
yes, I'd report it...
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Posted By SBH
Employer should report it
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Posted By Swis
To make this clear…
The employer (person in control of the premises) would be responsible to report the incident, if it’s reportable.
Guidance suggests that we should report electrical incidents if:
1) iinjury results from an electric shock or electrical burns leading to unconsciousness
2) there’s an electrical short circuit or overload causing fire or explosion;
A bit ambiguous of-course but I personally would report it….
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Posted By Bill01
No Reportable..
Regs say electric shock or electrical injury leading to unconciousness, requires resuscitation or admittance to hospital for 24 hours...
On what basis are all the above saying it's reportable....pls discuss.
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Posted By Barry Bruce
Yes, me too...............quite clearly from the information supplied on the post this is not a reportable incident?
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Posted By Swis
I was in similar situation in past. Contaced the ICC who asked me to report it...
Thats why I would say its reportable.
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Posted By Phil Rose
Not reportable unless it lead to ".. unconsciousness or requiring resuscitation or admittance to hospital for more than 24 hours".
If it was reportable by the contractors EMPLOYER NOT the person in control of the premises.
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Is it me, or is a trend emerging here? It seems that if you call the ICC looking for guidance, the answer back is invariably - report it?
From those above who would report, can I ask: why would you report it? (When it clearly falls outwith RIDDOR Schedules)?
I have been on the other side of this when the HSE call up and ask why we have reported incidents clearly not reportable. Do the ICC and HSE need to get their act together here?
(I'll refrain from banging-on once again about the real purpose of RIDDOR)
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Posted By TonyB
Phil,
I think you will find that Dangerous Occurrences are reportable by the controller of premises. This is not a HSWA S4 issue but based on a definition of the 'Responsible Person' within RIDDOR (see table 1 of the ACoP). RIDDOR defines the RP as the Controller of Premise for DOs (and only DOs). This is a commonly misunderstood aspect of RIDDOR and many dutyholders are not aware that they have to report DOs that occur to their contractors - not the contractors employer.
All the best,
TonyB
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Posted By Phil Rose
Tony, more than happy to concede that DO's are reportable by the person in control of premises, but my post was clearly related to electric shock which is I believe one of the reportable major injuries (if the other 'conditions' I mentioned are also met) and therefore I believe I am right in saying that they should be reported by the employer (if an employer exists - i.e. not self employed)
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Posted By TonyB
Phil,
See what you mean. It's me reading one thing and thinking of another. You clearly identify that you were think of this a potentially a major injury - not a DO. I was thinking of something mentioned in a previous entry. Sorry, I'm sure you were aware of the difference regarding DOs.
TonyB
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Posted By Phil Rose
No probs Tony
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