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#1 Posted : 12 August 2009 15:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tracey Kelly
I recently came across the information that in the UK national charity shops have banned over-the-counter sale of knitting needles. Does anyone know if the HSE or IOSH has ever responded to this "elf'n'safety" decision? Or what their logic is?
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#2 Posted : 12 August 2009 15:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By martinw
Section 6 of Offensive Weapons Act 1996 prohibits those under 16 buying knives and some other items with a point and which are designed to injure. Some people do not read or know about that last bit - about being designed to injure - and think that they are breaking the law by selling knitting needles.
It depends on the purpose for which you are carrying them, which is why those who are likely to be carrying them are allowed to take them on aeroplanes. Young persons in the street with knitting needles would not necessarily be given the same benefit of the doubt.
Martin
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#3 Posted : 12 August 2009 16:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tracey Kelly
Thanks, Martin. I now have a mental image of a gang of grannies wearing hoodies terrorising the streets by brandishing their knitting needles :-)
Tracey
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#4 Posted : 12 August 2009 16:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By martinw
You have no idea!

http://www.breakthechain.../exclusives/grandma.html

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#5 Posted : 12 August 2009 16:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lilian McCartney
The charity shops I know don't display on shelves but you can get them if you ask.
They've went down that line to prevent people they don't consider responsible buying them (or I think it was 'taking them')

Lilian
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#6 Posted : 12 August 2009 16:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Messy Shaw
I had to ban knitting needles from a fire safety lecture once.

A lovely but dim lady decided that, to pass the time during a mandatory fire training session, (and prevent slipping into a coma as so many do when listening to me!) she'd bring her knitting to the course.

Sadly, she bought the older metal type needles which make the 'clickly clickey' noise. I had to suffer years of that annoying noise when my old Nan came to call (and subsequently interfering with my enjoyment of Blue Peter & Magpie!) and it's obviously left a psychological mark on me, so I asked her to pack it in or leave!

Luckily for me, she obviously didn't realise they cold be used as weapons!!



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#7 Posted : 12 August 2009 17:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Graham Bullough
As a slight deviation from or even a development of this thread, I could mention that years ago a fellow student had a penchant for wearing unusual hats which were held in place (well, one at a time) with a sizeable hat pin. She reckoned that if cornered and threatened by anyone, she could grab the pin and wield it in self-defence without fear of being done for carrying an offensive weapon. Goodness knows if she ever had to use it other than as a hat pin.

Some years ago I heard that the caretaker of one of my employer's historic buildings went to it during the night after its security alarm had been triggered. As the building was in a fairly remote setting he took a cudgel-like stick for self-protection in case vandals or thieves were lurking nearby. A policeman also attended and, noticing the stick, advised him that it constituted an offensive weapon. He continued by advising him to replace the stick with a long heavy duty torch - which he would legitimately carry - and that it could still be used for self-defence if necessary in a manner similar to the stick!

To reduce the deviation, I'd better add something about knitting needles: John Harvey Jones in his autobiography mentioned that the experienced and respected captain of the submarine on which he served during WW2 liked to knit during off-duty spells at sea. Although the other officers and the crew considered it an unusual pastime for a man, I can't recall any mention in the book of others being distracted by the noise of the needles which were probably metal ones. As well as providing some creative relaxation, perhaps the captain might have considered that the needles could be used as a weapon as a last resort. However, if he ever did, he would have no problem about offensive weapons, considering the torpedoes and other weapons on his submarine!
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#8 Posted : 12 August 2009 19:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By martinw
Indeed Graham
as a police officer years ago I carried the longest MagLite torch in case other means of more legal restraint methods were unavailable(joke!)
But everyone carried one, normally in the car so it did not clang about while hanging on your belt. Very uncomfortable.
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#9 Posted : 12 August 2009 19:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tracey Kelly
Interesting deviation of the thread (and it's not even Friday)/
I was advised to carry a can of hairspray in my car and perfume in my pocket.
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#10 Posted : 12 August 2009 19:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By martinw
Don't change the subject ;-)
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#11 Posted : 13 August 2009 09:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Murdy
Just to add to the deviation (as it is Summer)

I met a guy (in America) once who killed a beaver with a Maglite.

It was eating some newly planted trees, so he approached it from behind and hit it. Now, Beavers are big, with sharp teeth.

'Once I hit it, I realised I was committed' was his response on what he felt when it turned around ...
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#12 Posted : 13 August 2009 09:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By jon_hall
Quite a few taxi drivers carry heavy torches as well, obviously in case they break down somewhere dark...
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#13 Posted : 13 August 2009 10:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lwood
Years ago I had to attend a house to arrest a man, whilst reciting the charge etc. his wife sprung up off the sofa and ran me through with a No 10 knitting needle. She got 4 years for that and I have an interesting story and a small scar!

L
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#14 Posted : 13 August 2009 11:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Seamus O Sullivan

Messy Shaw's post made me laugh, the thought of someone bringing in their knitting to a safety course, this is something i never thought of.

Does that mean trainers must now post signs at the entrance to the course NO KNITTING !




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