Posted By Mick at DCAE I have been asked by our Swimming Pool manager if the 2 grates situated in the deep end of the pool need to be secured. This stems from the death in Thailand a short while ago. She has stated that the grate does move slightly and occasionally needs pushing back into postion. Is there a legal requirement in this country? Thanks Mick

Posted By Mick at DCAE Yes, I was after guidance from anyone who has knowledge with this subject. Although we have a swimming pool at our establishment it is not an area I have had many dealings with. I just need to know how/if anyone else has addressed the issue.

Posted By sogden Hi Mick Might be your answer in this Guide. Managing health and safety in swimming pools (HSG179) How does it apply to non-standard facilities? The guidance in HSG179 is aimed primarily at swimming pools, but it also covers paddling pools, segregated areas of rivers, lakes and the sea, and other non-standard facilities. We have prepared this note to clear up any uncertainty over just how the guidance applies to such facilities. We do not want unnecessary precautions to cause people, including children, to miss out on opportunities for fun and healthy exercise. What does the law say? Paragraphs 15 - 41 of HSG179 summarise the health and safety legislation with which all pool operators must comply. There are no specific health and safety regulations governing swimming pools (or paddling pools and other non-standard facilities). As far as public safety is concerned, Section 3 of the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 requires employers to conduct their undertaking in such a way as to ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, that the public is not exposed to risks to health and safety. This general duty is supplemented by the requirement under regulation 3 of the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999 that employers make a suitable and sufficient assessment of the risks to members of the public to help decide what measures need to be taken. The law does not prescribe what control measures would be reasonably practicable in each and every case. That is a judgment that has to be made by individual operators on the basis of the particular risks, which they are best placed to assess. The overarching duty is to prevent exposure to risk so far as is reasonably practicable. This does not mean operators should incur disproportionate costs in implementing measures that anticipate relatively remote risks.

Posted By Edward H The guidance from HSE is pretty clear. Have a look at: http://www.hse.gov.uk/en...tainment/pdf/grilles.pdf I think the final sentence answers your question.

Posted By Mick at DCAE Thank you all for your responses. I am going to heed the HSE advice as directed by Edward H in which the last paragraph states "all grills should be secured". Thanks Mick

Posted By Graham Bullough For anyone who might be puzzled by Phil Rose’s mention of “total suction”, I understand that this refers to a potentially serious risk at pools which only have one outlet grill. If the suction effect of water being taken through an outlet grill is sufficiently strong, a person swimming underwater near the pool floor can be pulled onto and held against the grill. Horrendous accidents involving this phenomenon have occurred in the past. This led to UK pools with only one outlet being modified. The usual and probably most foolproof modification is the creation of one or possibly more additional grilled outlets serving the same outlet pipe. However, the HSE document quoted by Edward H above does mention alternative methods. Another possible method, though not mentioned, could be the widening of a single outlet to accommodate a notably wider grill plate. Thus, if the grill plate is partly covered by an adult torso, there would still be a sufficiently uncovered area of plate which allows water to enter and thus avoids a significant suction effect. Does anyone know if this method has been used? As for the theme of this thread, it makes good sense that grill plates are secured in position. If swimmers are able to dislodge a plate, whether accidentally or deliberately, it seems foreseeable that someone’s arm or leg can be inserted/pulled into the narrowing aperture beneath and then be trapped by the suction effect.

Posted By Phil Phil, You need to be careful using the sub aqua club to do "jobs" for you, as they run the risk of coming under the HSE diving at work regs, and will need to be commercial divers with an approved qualification, in date medical, supervisor, tender dive plan etc etc etc. Phil

Posted By Ian Bennett Is your centre a member of the Institute of Sport and Recreation Management (ISRM)? I'm sure they could clarify any points if there are still any queries. I have found them most helpful in the past, in fact they are looking to start providing courses in pool management for the H&S industry, I actually went on the pilot which was very informative.

Posted By gary harrison found it Pool Water Treatment Advisory Group (PWTAG) produce a standard "Swimming Pool Water Teatment and Quality Standards" that is very well recognised (ISBN 0 951 7007 6 6) page 65. it comments on securing grills, gap sizes in grills and velocity rates over the drains.