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#1 Posted : 03 September 2009 11:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By CFlanagan I am in the process of pulling a training package together for risk assessment and would like to answer a question as part of the training about where risk assessment came from initially and who developed the first principles of risk assessment before it was laid down in legislation. I seem to rememember someone once telling me about NASA but not sure if this is true? Can anyone help? Thanks
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#2 Posted : 03 September 2009 11:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter F. Try from when time began, we risk assess every day we just do it subconsciously, and don't write it down.
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#3 Posted : 03 September 2009 11:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brian Hagyard C I think NASA developed HACCP (Hazard analysis and Critical Control Points) as a principle now widely used in the food industry. (its just risk assessment really but you know how people like to sound different!) Brian
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#4 Posted : 03 September 2009 12:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp In the UK it was via a EU Directive back in the late eighties I believe and then transposed into UK legislation with the arrival of the MHSWR 1992 s3 (as amended 1999). Ray
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#5 Posted : 03 September 2009 12:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan Analytically, assessung risks emerged as a focus in safety and health management as the starting point in a reliable, valid strategy for responding to uncertainties of hazards in the work environment. Historically, risk analysis has long been a starting point in medical diagnosis. This in turn coloured quantitative methods of testing and licensing pharmaceutical drugs. This contrasts with other kinds of responding to uncertainties in the environment, such as gambling which can be regarded as the more or less conscious strategy of organisations who choose not to quantify hazards and assess risks they pose.
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#6 Posted : 03 September 2009 12:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Yossarian Homer describes a Risk Assessment in The Odyssey when Odysseus takes control measures for his crew against the Sirens song. Of course, it wasn't called that then.
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#7 Posted : 03 September 2009 12:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Emyr Evans I always quote during training days that the term "risk assessment" was first used in UK law when COSHH & then Noise at Work regs first appeared on the radar screen - a short while before the 6 pack mentions them for all work activity.
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#8 Posted : 03 September 2009 12:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By brian mills In HSAWACT it states an 'assessment of the risks will be carried out', in industry this became a risk assessment and as previous stated was adopted as an industry standard. Regards Brian
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#9 Posted : 03 September 2009 12:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim HASWA1974
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#10 Posted : 03 September 2009 13:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter I had always considered the likes of DuPont to be front-runners on this, way before HASAWA?
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#11 Posted : 03 September 2009 13:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Roly Buss If you do a "find" on the HASAW pdf on the HSE web for "assessment" you will discover that there is no mention of the word in HASAW. John Ridley, who was heavily involved in the discussions in Europe on the 6 pack, always maintained that risk assessment came about as a result of the differances between UK and continental legal systems, and the suggestion (from the UK) of risk assessments to overcome these led to its introduction. It is always quite staggering if you look at H&S material (books, journals, videos etc) produced before 1992, that there is absolutely no mention whatsoever of risk asessment. Life as H&S professional was a lot harder as a result. Roly
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#12 Posted : 03 September 2009 13:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike DF Doesn't it go back to Edwards v NCB where Lord Asquith spoke about the quantum of risk?
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#13 Posted : 03 September 2009 16:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Terry H I am sure that risk assessments hail from way back in time. But i seem to remember the insurance sector may have been responsible for how we see risk assessments today.
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#14 Posted : 03 September 2009 16:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete Longworth From the point of view of a legal requirement the HASAWA was the first piece of British legislation that contained a requirement for risk assessment, but it was only implicit in the Act not an explicit requirement. The phrase "so far as is reasonably practicable" was where risk assessment was implied. What the phrase means is that in order to assess whether a particular control measure was reasonably practicable you had to balance the cost, time and effort in introducing the control measure against the risk posed by the hazard you were trying to control. in order to do that you had to assess the risk. Most H&S legislation before that was prescriptive in that it set out a number of firm requirements with little leeway so risk assessment was not required.
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#15 Posted : 03 September 2009 17:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete48 Risk assessment has roots way back in time especially with regard to the statistical basis of determining risk. Some say due to the need to work out how to avoid losing games of chance. (google Girolamo Cardano) In a modern workplace setting, it has existed for many years as a technical tool, a science based statistical approach. I was using what was then called quantified risk assessment way before 1974 for example. The arrival of a more explicit duty as part of the six pack Regs in the UK in the early nineties is probably where most would see it as becoming an everyday part of many workplaces. For some reason that I never fathomed the outcome of requiring all sorts of stuff involving almost every employee and slavishly following very basic methods for determining "risk" seems to been followed by many. Anyone who has struggled with assessments that are more revisionist (perception based) than statistically valid will I hope understand my meaning. In terms of workplace related risks, it became more explicit beyond the technical approach after the early nineties and took on a much more perception based approach and it is continuing to develop more as a liability management tool rather than a technical, science based decision guiding process.(beyond the high risk sectors that is) So the assessment of risk has been around since someone moved from what Bernstein described as "risk is a construct, before risk there was fate" into a position of trying to determine the probability of things. Now there's s riveting load of useless information for you. LOL
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#16 Posted : 03 September 2009 17:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By alan noble HASWA says that you should not expose employees or others to risks their health and/or safety. So you would have to call the process of evaluating that risk something so an 'assessment'. Maybe have been more fun if it had been called 'Eric'.
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#17 Posted : 03 September 2009 17:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Packer This should of developed at about the same time as our ability to reason and grasp abstract concepts i.e, predict things that may happen in the future as opposed to what we know happened in the past. As I understand it we started to develope these skills as a race about 40,000 years ago. Unfortunately the human race is enormous and so some people still haven't crossed the starting line. Millitary strategy is in no small part based on risk assessment and so from that point of view is 4,000 years old at the very least.
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#18 Posted : 04 September 2009 00:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Graham Bullough To echo Emyr Evans' response, my recollection of the first appearance of the phrase "risk assessment" in legislation was in the 1988 COSHH Regulations, several years before the arrival of the "six pack" regulations. During my ten years as an HSE inspector up to 1987 I don't recall seeing or hearing the phrase, though this might just arise from a hazy memory. Even so, the principles and practice of risk assessment existed to some extent. The training for HSE inspectors included learning about various court cases including Edwards versus NCB. When I first saw a Heidelberg platen printing machine with its characteristic "windmill" gripper system, it seemed to have blatantly unguarded trapping areas. However, the experienced inspector with me explained that such areas had never been known to cause any injuries. Consequently, HM Factory Inspectorate (HMFI)which became the largest part of HSE had a long-established policy of not requiring guards because there was no evidence that the areas which appeared to be dangerous were actually dangerous. This may have stemmed from the good design of the machine and/or the way in which it was operated. It seems that HMFI and the UK printing industry had gone through what would today be classed as a risk assessment process about the need or otherwise for guarding. Also reviews of the machine's exemplary accident record from time to time no doubt continued to confirm that guarding was not needed.
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#19 Posted : 04 September 2009 09:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By safetyamateur "When I first saw a Heidelberg platen printing machine with its characteristic "windmill" gripper system, it seemed to have blatantly unguarded trapping areas." Graham, the single most wonderful sentence I have ever read on these pages. And a great thread, btw. Such a simple question but all this information tumbles out. Enjoying this one very much.
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#20 Posted : 04 September 2009 09:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson Adam and Eve, probably - Now what's the risk in me accepting this apple????
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#21 Posted : 04 September 2009 10:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Glyn Surely that was a risk/benefit decision:-)!!!! Bob
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#22 Posted : 04 September 2009 11:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Jerman A good question, to which my supplement would be, "....but where did it all go wrong?' Don't worry, it's a rhetorical question. It is Friday after all. Chris
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#23 Posted : 04 September 2009 13:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Eastbourne "Fear of harm ought to be proportional not merely to the gravity of the harm, but also to the probability of the harm." Published in 1662 by Antoine Arnauld.
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#24 Posted : 04 September 2009 13:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brigham Risk assessment became fashionable when the HSE could no longer Police the prescriptive legislation we used to have by way of the Factories Act and OSRPA.
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