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#1 Posted : 06 September 2009 16:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Once a construction phase plan has been approved and issued to the site personnel, how should it be made an active document and what type of information should be added to it?
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#2 Posted : 07 September 2009 07:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By justgossip Well i am not an expert, but as a subby I meet up with them quite frequently so along with other people chipping in I hope this works. First thing I always notice are there are controls wrote in that do not work or no one uses them. So a good idea to check that one. They might have been a good idea at the start but when work starts they wither on the vine often it is not easy for me to find the information I want as its as big as a library. Its never wrote in my experience for downhill comms. An annex for the employee supervisor would help to get everyone singing from the same sheet On the friday site meeting, i realised i was the only person there who had read the document.I think everyone should if we are to work to gether.Apart from anything else the PC looked down right daft once i piped up. I think you might consider evolving your plan to be like the arrangements section of a policy at this stage, who, what,how, when, comms etc less is more, PC's write a lot and do little in the way of real safety, well it is the case in my small area of london, garry
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#3 Posted : 07 September 2009 10:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Thanks Garry, you are just the type of person I need info from as you are at the sharp end! The CPP's I do are usually put on a shelf and ignored throughout the project and a recent visit by HSE noticed this. I find it difficult to think what to add once the project is underway. The site is well managed with signing in book, induction training records, daily safety checks recorded, these however are all in separate folders as they need to be at the point of use. Further, there is another folder with risk assessments and method statements. The site manager is comfortable with his system so I feel loathe to "reinvent".
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#4 Posted : 07 September 2009 14:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Clarke-Scholes CMIOSH Crim, There's a good question! I have what I consider to be a pretty punchy document, but Garry is right - few people read it. I think that the important bit is to get buy in at the sharp end, so we often use a white board at the site entrance to record current activities, particular hazards, who has slots booked for deliveries or the Tower Crane etc etc. We don't call this the Plan but you could. The top document then contains the procedures for senior management and is somewhere to keep all the current risk assessments and method statements for the activities on site. Some form of weekly meeting for site management and all foremen should address and resolve upcoming conflicts in the next 7 days and then the significant findings are passed to the workforce via the white board. Now all you have to do is make sure that the workforce can and do actually read it. Paul
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#5 Posted : 07 September 2009 14:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Paul, I like the white board idea, might try that one. Thanks
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#6 Posted : 08 September 2009 08:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Crim The separate files you mention are all ultimately part of the CPP and if they are updated then the Plan is updated. Much of the basic information may indeed remain the same and will only be updated if a periodic review, eg 3, 6 or 12 month, suggests the need for change, remember that there can be changes to legislation, KPIs, management procedures etc during a project. Your plan must clearly identify the separate files that are integral to it, which is one reason I prefer that some matters such as Traffic plans, F/a Plans, Emergency Plans, RA & MS, Site organisation, Env Plans(inc. SWMP)are kept separate and referenced via the relevant management procedure information in the basic CPP text. Bob
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#7 Posted : 08 September 2009 11:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Thanks Bob, I thought as much. In future I will list all separate docs relating to the CPP and also their locations. i.e. point of entry to site for signing in and induction records, site office for daily check sheets, risk assessment etc. I agree that the CPP is up to date in spite of the original "Plan" in the binder not being added to as long as the other stuff is up to date. I'm only talking about 5 week to 3 month projects. Thanks to all.
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#8 Posted : 08 September 2009 11:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter Crim, not forgetting the as-built drawings, the variations and AIs and all the bits of information which will count towards as "as built" drawing set and a H&S File.
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