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Posted By chamfer
Hello folks,
I am employed by a local authority for 10 hrs a week, carrying out DIY work. Could someone tell me who is responsible for supplying safety boots? the council or myself.
Thanks In advance
Chamfer
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Posted By seanie
the council are responsible for supplying you with all PPE you require to carry out your duties safely
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Posted By chamfer
Thanks for replying could you point me to where it stipulates that in law, as i have made several requests & keep getting a brush off.
Chamfer
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Posted By Yossarian
Reg 4 (1) of the Personal Protective Equipment at Work Regulations, states:
"Every employer shall ensure that suitable personal protective equipment is provided to his employees..."
The only exception is if the employer can show the risks have been otherwise adequately controlled.
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Posted By chamfer
Thanks Yossarian
I have now been told that a risk assessment needs to be carried out to see if I qualify for safety boots, but no one can find the forms, is there anywhere I can download such a form?, and present it too my manager, too speed up the process
thanks advance
Chamfer
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson
Just checking - this is direct paid employment on the books of the authority, not agency or contractor terms, isn't it?
A directly paid "on the books" employee would be entitled to free PPE for any task deemed as requiring PPE from the risk assessment.
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Posted By chamfer
Hello yes this is direct employment 10 hrs. a week
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Posted By chamfer
My duties are using power tools & hand tools would this not automatically entitle me to safety footwear in a risk assessment
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Posted By Phil Rose
Not necessarily, BUT, IF a risk assessment did assess that you needed safety boots, then they should be provided by the employer and at the employers expense
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Posted By chamfer
OK thanks I now know that if the risk assessment conclusion deems them necessary then my employee has to provided them.
But I am still confused over the actual risk assessment itself, how can the risk assessment not come to the conclusion that safety boots are not required when using hand tools & power tools.
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Posted By chamfer
Sorry i don't no how to edit my last post, so to add to my last post under Protective Equipment at Work Regulations 1992, would this section not deem is appropriate
feet and legs
Hazards: wet, electrostatic build-up, slipping, cuts and punctures, falling objects,
metal and chemical splash, abrasion.
Options: safety boots and shoes with protective
As by using a power tool or sharp heavy hand tools there is a risk to feet of cuts & punctures, and abrasion
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Posted By DaGuru
Simply using power tools does not necessarily mean mandatory safety footwear. A risk assessment will look at other factors, type of work being carried out with handtools, where the work is being carried out, what materials you are using with the handtools, frequency of use etc.
If you are working with heavy wooden beams, and there is a risk that it may fall and crush your toes then yes I'd expect safety boots to be worn. If your working with shelving and there is a risk that if it fell on to your toes and scuffed your kappa trainers, then common sense would suggest wear a a pair of sturdy boots.
All in the risk assessment my friend...what are the hazards? potentially how can you be hurt etc.
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Posted By John Richards
Does the employer supply the power tools ?
If so, then the PUWER also apply...etc...etc...
The employer (or a company contracted to do the job) does the risk assessment.
Unless you obtained the work through an employment agency, where the job advert states: "Protective boots and high-viz required" (ie:No boots/high-viz: No job) (there's a way around everything)
The thing to ask yourself is this: Do you want the work ?
Because if you start making waves.......
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Posted By Coshh Assessor
The risk assessment should already have been carried out, not just to see if you need safety boots but to see what other precautions might be needed.
Have you been given any safety instructions at all?
Are you using your own tools and if so have there been any checks or requirements for them?
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Posted By chamfer
DaGuru well it should do in curtain circumstances.
So it all come down to the risk assessment's yes, ok i am going to use angle grinder & i have identified there is a potential risk of cutting feet while using grinder, so i need safety boots right. why the need for a risk assessment, is its not obvious that i am going to need safety boots to carry out this work, without the need for an assessment?
Or do you think there times when not wearing safety boots using an angle grinder is acceptable? and will come out in a risk assessment as such!
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Posted By rosstoward
Angle Grinder, just to throw the spanner in the works, Boots, gloves, ear protection, eye protection/protection, resp protection, head protection, coverall, abrasive wheels training, and training in the use of PPE........
Sorry to complicate
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Posted By Coshh Assessor
"i am going to use angle grinder & i have identified there is a potential risk of cutting feet while using grinder, so i need safety boots right. why the need for a risk assessment"
That *is* a risk assessment and exactly the sort of thing your employer should be coming up with.
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Posted By garyh
Why not say to your employer "let's ask the HSE inspector what they think".
Cue new safety boots being supplied............
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Posted By Clive Lowery
Chamfer,
You do not need to download any forms or templates to carry out a risk assessment. The statutory duty lies with the employer under Regulation 3, of the Management of Health & Safety regulations 1998.
Following this risk assesment if it is deemed you need safety footwear, the employer has a duty to provide.
If you still get no joy I suggest you speak to a safety representative or someone from the safety department/EHO.
Keep us all informed of the outcome
Regards
Clive
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