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#1 Posted : 08 September 2009 13:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Lightbody I have noted that legislation requires an employer must ensure that a record of a fire safety risk assessment is kept (electronically or paper-based) if you employ five or more employees (whether they are based in the premises or not). Does this mean if for example an employer has 40 employees based in various different offices and say some have under 5 employees in anyone site that that site's risks assessment has to be written?
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#2 Posted : 08 September 2009 15:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim I believe the answer to be in your first sentence.
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#3 Posted : 08 September 2009 15:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By rosstoward You would need a fire risk assessment for each property
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#4 Posted : 08 September 2009 15:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By rosstoward Oh and i would do one even if there wasn't five in a location.
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#5 Posted : 08 September 2009 16:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis As Alexander Meerkat says - Simples Employ more than 5 anywhere then fire risk assess all premises Bob
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#6 Posted : 08 September 2009 18:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Lightbody Thank you for your feedback. This is what I thought but was being challenged and had one of those moments when you question ones self!
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#7 Posted : 08 September 2009 19:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By D. Hilton I would suggest that the written risk assessment should exist regardless of the number of employees. Article 9 (1) requires the responsible person to make a suitable and sufficient assessment of the risks to which relevant persons are exposed for the purpose of identifying the general fire precautions. and 9(6) As soon as practicable after the assessment is made or reviewed, the responsible person must record where— (a) he employs five or more employees; the significant findings of the assessment, including the measures which have been or will be taken by the responsible person pursuant to this Order; and (b) any group of persons identified by the assessment as being especially at risk. Without a written assessment, it is not possible to demonstrate that the responsible person has carried out the duty as set out at article 9 (1).
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#8 Posted : 08 September 2009 20:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson The requirement is "where" not "if"; 2where" means at a place or position. Therefore, it is not a requirement to have a written risk assessment at premises where 5 or more persons are employed. It is of course a good idea to record it if it is complicated or there are vulnerable persons present. Regards
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#9 Posted : 09 September 2009 09:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel I advise that you take no notice of the figure 5 as 1 person can cause a fire and / or get burnt! This is an old figure and will not be quoted by a claimant's solicitor as that individual will be looking after their own interests - otherwise take note of the advise already given
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