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Posted By GaryC40
Thursday poser - During a recent DSE self assessment drive a number of forms have been returned (by Management) identifying that their chairs do not have adjustable backs (as required by the regs) They chose the chairs themselves and the majority of the chairs are all pretty much new.
The backs are fixed, however the whole chair (back and seat) can move back and forward on a pivot. The backs are therefore fixed but move with the rest of the chair.
The type is the black leather executive variety.
All have said that they like the chairs and do not want to change, however some have pointed out in the assessments that they experience shoulder and necks pains - you see my predicament.
The question is - are these type of chairs classed as having an adjustable backs? and if not, how do i get them to realise that the chairs maybe a contributory factor to their aches and pains
Big sigh...
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
First question is whether the managers are genuine users.
Second one is whether they are competent to manage if they cannot choose the correct chair for their work.
Bob:-)
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Posted By GaryC40
Bob,
Yes and hopefully :)
The question is, what is the legal definition of adjustable.
These chairs are purchased from reputable retailers in The UK and are very common and not cheap!...What does your CEO use?
I am sure the 'tilt' type must be legal, surely?
GC
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Posted By Tabs
The guidance (at Annex A #17) says that so long as a comfortable position can be reached, the back need not be independent of the seat in tilt or height ... however, if they are reporting aches and pains, it would suggest to me that the position could not be described as "comfortable".
You may find adding supplementary fitments might help.
Look at companies like Posturite (other companies are available, no connection to me) for possible solutions.
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Posted By Bob Youel
this is another case of procuring equipment without the involvement of a competent person
Irrespective of other factors suppliers will [in my personal opinion and experience] sell you anything that they can - problems thereafter become yours
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Posted By andrew morris
Just to throw another view in - who says the pains are from the chairs? It may be the set up of the rest of the desk/VDU or stress (or a whole host of other things.
If they have identified a problem - I would always go and redo the assessment with them (in more depth) to try and chase out the real issues.
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Posted By Descarte
I believe (maybe wrongly) that the purpose of the the adjustable back rest is correct positioning of the chairs lumbar support. I have seem many adjustable easy to fit velcro cushions which could fit this purpose, you could even trial before you buy.
Echo above comment though, even though it is seems to be a potential cause, is it the only or main cause creating the aches / pains?
Des
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Posted By safetyamateur
Agree with the lumbar support comments.
Seems like you've got the angle adjustment in the chairs but lack te height adjustment which makes sure our different dimensions get the support in the right place.
The cushions mentioned previously can do this (called 'D-rolls'?)
Moral of the story: don't let anybody, ever, choose their own chair. They immediately think their in control of the Starship Enterprise and need the appropriate furniture.
You wait, you'll see one bright spark use a D-roll as a headrest.
Oyvey
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Posted By GaryC40
All well and and good but its nots so easy to enforce such a rule re competence of buyer when that buyer is your superior. As usual us HS people get the short end of the stick!
Thanks for comments.
At least it is Friday and a cool foamy awaits at 5pm!
GC
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