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Posted By warderic
Having "Health" in my job title I obviously take an interest in all areas including healthy eating. I'm of the old school and think that we are going a little too far with what we can and cant eat, but thats my opinion. However, I do try to be objective and listen to the views of others. As an example, my children who now have children of their own, try to eat organic food when possible. My view is that it is expensive and too many food companies are cashing in on the organic market. I was amazed at the weekend when out shopping when I saw a jar of organic honey. Now I'm no expert but how can honey be organic. Do the bees know what flowers to pollinate? do they know what food crops have been sprayed with chemicals? How can honey be organic? or am I missing something. Don't get too serious with your replies; remember its Friday.
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Posted By seanie
what about organic milk??
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Posted By warderic
I can can accept organic milk. You can control the movement of cows and the fields they eat in, but bees fly for miles.
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Posted By Steve Lane
Does it not rain on the grass that the cows eat to produce the milk, Global warming have any impact on so called organic food stuffs including water
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Posted By Tanya Boyce
I can never understand the advert for low calorie water........ think I've missed something.
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Posted By warderic
Accepted Steve; didn't think of that. By applying your theory there is no such thing as "Organic".
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Posted By Steve Lane
Correct so do not waste your money, have a fry up tastes better as well
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Posted By warderic
Tanya, never heard of low calorie water; I will put that my list of "find out more". I'm still struggling with the idea that people buy bottles of water. But what about these bees how do they know whats organic?
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Posted By Tanya Boyce
its true it exists. Organic honey? pre-programmed bees maybe
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Posted By warderic
Steve a fry up sounds good to me, but unfortunately soon that will be a thing of history. Little by little those in the minority, who think they know best are taking the fat off meat, the salt out of bacon and the flavouring out of beans. The idea is we will live longer and be miserable.
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Posted By Steve Lane
Who cares if its organic honey or not it still tastes good on fried bread
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Posted By Steve Lane
get a little bit of land breed own pigs grow own food, keep best for self sell rest as organic cracked it, organic its true, pocket full of cash and all the junk food that i want to eat proves it
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Posted By warderic
Fried bread and honey;that's a thought that would send shivers down the spines of the health eating fraternity. Question: can you buy organic fat? I know you can buy organic bread.
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Posted By Steve Lane
As I now have my little bit of land, I can sell you some organic fat, came from my own home bred animals, organic bread which you can fry in the organic fat and some organic honey to spread on your fried bread, came from my own bee hive so I know that it is organic you can also wash it down with some low calorie bottled water which came from my organic spring (Dell boy springs to mind)
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Posted By warderic
Steve, back to my original question; how do your bees know what flowers or crops are organic in order to make your honey organic. What if they fly off a couple of miles in to a non-organic field? There must be a bee expert out there who can answer this question.
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Posted By Peter F.
If the Bee takes Pollen from a flower and gets a 'buzz' from it they know it has chemicals in.
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Posted By safetyamateur
warderic, the training bees receive now has come on leaps and bounds since your day. I'm pretty sure they operate a passport system in the honey industry too.
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Posted By safetyamateur
Thanks, Jay, but I get the 'Internet Access Denied' message.
Obviously some kind of cover-up. What have we gotten ourselves into?
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Posted By seanie
bees can take care of themselves, what about the cow's?
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Posted By John Richards
They live longer ?
Thin people have the worst chance of survival if ill.
Slightly overweight people have the best.
Obese people have more chances of heart problems later in life, but less chance of kicking the bucket if ill !
People who eat organic food have no better health than people who eat food off the s/mart shelf.
It's amazing just how many urban rumours are wrong.
My physio team told me that with a bmi of 29 I was slightly obese and should lose weight.
I printed the research that showed them the opposite was true....clinically, I'm more likely to survive illness than someone with an ideal, or too-low, bmi.
In any case, the whole bmi thing is so out-of-date....
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Posted By seanie
my BMI says that for my weight i should be 8ft 2inchs!!
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Posted By warderic
seanie, is that tall or wide. If its wide then I'm OK and should live to about 96 give or take a couple of years. Still no answer on the bees.
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Posted By Chris Packham
As the opposite of organic is inorganic, can anyone tell me where I can buy inorganic honey, milk or carrots?
Chris
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Posted By Steve Lane
warderic My animals and bees know what is "organic", because I'm eating my fry up and fried bread and honey from the small plot of land that i purchased using your hard earned cash which you used to buy my "organic" produce which does not get rained on so is not subjected to any global interference so is "organic", which is what you wanted to hear, so i told you it was and you bought it and now you question how they know?, should have thought before you bought and stayed with the fry up, granddad lived to 90 on the fry up he was happy, did not matter if organic or not, made me happy buying the land with the cash you earned, just for saying organic so do not bother me now, I'm happy sell to somebody else and bee happy
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Posted By warderic
Chris, you can still buy in-organic food, but you will need to be quick. Slowly but surly these products are being labeled as something only the uneducated eat and will soon be in the same class as tobacco and alcohol. Food and drink not approved by the minority, who know best, will only be allowed to be eaten in open ground away from others so as not to contaminate. In years to come we will see groups of people outside offices and factories with a fag in one hand and a bag of pork scratchings in the other; outcast of society.
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Posted By D H
Chris - if it doesnt say organic on thye label, then it must be unorganic?
And can you get in/unorganic bees?
Dave
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Posted By Brian Hagyard
Chris
Judging by the taste I would say any supermarket in the country!
Brian
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Posted By warderic
Steve, beeside all that I cant see bees beeing in one garden they must venture elsewhere.
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Posted By Steve Lane
Warderic first response does it not rain any where if it does then it can not be organic as to many chemicals in the air, in your job you are supposed to learn by mistakes, you've been caught, conned, fleeced,robbed, lied to, do not make it worse by trying to justify your loss, accept it and move on , you will just have to try and explain to your grandchildren you lost their inheritance to a con artist because you thought that the chance of longer life, even if skint, was better than allowing them to live the life of luxury once they learnt that organic was just another word for expensive con
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Posted By John Packer
Now I'm confused? What is organic mineral water then?
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Posted By warderic
Steve, you are obviously an honest person who I would imagine runs an organic food counter at local car boot sales; I often buy from these places myself. But nobody has answered the question "how do bees know where to pollinate"?
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Posted By warderic
John organic mineral water comes from educated clouds that navigate their way by avoiding contaminated areas of land. These clouds can be recognised by there distinct shape and size. They are the clouds that rain gently on selected land, mainly in the south, like Hampshire and other up market ares where property is at a premium. I though every one new this.
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Posted By Steve Lane
warderic sorry thought the question was about organic honey not on pollination of flowers,
have to ask a Gardener that keeps bees that one
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Posted By John Packer
Of course I know about educated clouds! Duh!
But is the water organic or mineral?
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Posted By Tanya Boyce
AH HA the bee keeper at work has the answer! Apparently its to do with the hives being on land registered as organic and all the land within 4 miles being also being registered.
Fine as long as you dont have long range bees, how was 4 miles decided on? how far can a bee actually fly?
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Posted By Steve Lane
Whats that got to do with pollinating flowers in somebody else's garden
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Posted By seanie
it depends on whether they have pollinated organic flowers or not, to how far they can fly!!
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Posted By warderic
At last we are getting some sensible answers. I now know that bees cant fly up to a 4 mile range, which is a long way for such a little creature. However, what if someone puts some non-organic flowers in the bees organic area ie. they throw them from a passing car. Surly this would contaminate the bee hive. Therefore honey can not be guaranteed organic. This brings me back to Steve's argument that all this is a con. As for mineral water and other water, it all starts from the same place,up in the sky, but finishes up raining in segregated ares; contaminated water on large housing estates or on those earning less then 60k and pour water in the leafy suburbs of the south.
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