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#1 Posted : 22 September 2009 12:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By AHS What is the difference other than one is easier to prove and doesnt involve prison or a criminal record. UKBA, LEA and HMRC routinely use Civil methods to punish people however my NEBOSH course stated the Civil Courts are there to compensate?
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#2 Posted : 22 September 2009 12:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ucan Criminal Law Rules of behaviour laid down by the Government or the State and normally enacted by Parliament through Acts of Parliament. Civil Law Concerned with the rights and duties of individuals (and organisations) towards each other. Violation of these established rights and duties are know as TORTS – (Legal Wrongs), the main one affecting Health and Safety being that of negligence. The individual sues another individual or company to address a wrong. Differences Between the Two Criminal The aim of criminal prosecutions is to punish the offender with financial penalties or imprisonment. An important point which distinguishes criminal prosecutions from civil cases is that the BURDEN OF PROOF – the means of demonstrating that the offence has, indeed been committed – has to be “BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT” Civil The remedies sough are to put right the wrong committed, i.e. compensation (damages) for loss incurred. The BURDEN OF PROOF in civil cases is different to that applied to determine the outcome in criminal cases. Here, the case may be decided “ON THE BALANCE OF PROBABILITIES”.
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#3 Posted : 22 September 2009 13:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp In the context of your question civil courts are used for mainly redress of some issue. There are several types of civil courts which deal with different matters, such as families division, contract law, negligence etc. The tort of negligence is to assist those who seek redress for an injury or some other loss eg financial. Unlike other jurisdictions civil law in the UK does not tend to be punitive, therefore a claim will only compensate for a loss. For example, an injury sustained at work will compensate for loss of earnings, minus any social security payment or contributory negligence. Ray
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#4 Posted : 22 September 2009 13:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By ScotsAM A civil court is there for an individual to claim compensation from a company or individual for a torte (a civil wrongdoing). A criminal court is there to punish a company or individual for a breach of their legal duties. The action is normally brought by an enforcing body (police, hse etc) and the case brought to court by the crown prosecution service (england) or procurator fiscal (scotland). In a civil court is must be shown that the defendant owed a duty of care, breached that duty and by doing so caused loss or pain to the claimant. This must be proved "on the balance of probability" which means that it more than likely happened rather than definately happened. The award for a succesfal action is normally monetary compensation. In a criminal court, a breach of a legal duty must be proved 'beyond reasonable doubt'. (HOWEVER the fact that somebody is injured is normally taken as fact that a legal duty was breached which then means the onus is on the defendant to prove they done everything possible to prevent the injury... but that's not the point here). A sucessful conviction leads to a punishment, either a monetary fine and/or a custodial sentance for individuals. Also note that compensation can be insured against, while a fine, as a punishment, cannot.
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#5 Posted : 22 September 2009 14:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By AHS ASBOs, Parking Penalties and now Employing Illegal Immigrants all punished by Civil Law?
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#6 Posted : 22 September 2009 14:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Colin Reeves None of the erudite responses have actually answered the original question posed of "UKBA, LEA and HMRC routinely use Civil methods to punish people". All responses refer to the compensation etc, but not any any "punishment" meted out by civil courts, unless compensation is being construed as punishment. I cannot answer the original question - I am awaiting a reply to the question ..... Colin
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#7 Posted : 22 September 2009 14:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Rose IF the NEBOSH notes say that the civil courts are [only] there to compensate, then they are wrong. The civil justice system is there to help provide a means to provide redress, this can be in the form of compensation but is certainly not limited to that alone.
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#8 Posted : 22 September 2009 14:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp My previous post clearly stated that in the main civil law in the UK is not used to punish people, but rather for redress for some loss.
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#9 Posted : 22 September 2009 15:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Dickson I suspect that what we are talking about is "Administrative Penalties" ("Adpens" for those in the business). They are not damages, and do not belong in civil law, but are usually alternatives to criminal proceedings. The offender is invited to accept an adpen, which may be a % of benefit overpaid, tax not paid, etc. Cheaper for the authority, and the offender. If the invitation is refused, the authority can prosecute. A breach of an ASBO goes for criminal proceedings.
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#10 Posted : 22 September 2009 15:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Colin Reeves Thanks Bob, first posting to "admit" that civil courts can punish .... Colin
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#11 Posted : 22 September 2009 16:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Rose Aren't breaches of some statutes, DDA for example, dealt with using a civil process? By the way - I am more than happy to be wrong on this.
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#12 Posted : 22 September 2009 17:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By AHS I wonder if that now makes the Attorney General a criminal.
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#13 Posted : 22 September 2009 17:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp I'm not sure how an 'adpen' can be classed as civil law punishment? It is my understanding that an adpen is served by an LA for fraud and only in cases such as housing and child benefit fraudulent cases.
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#14 Posted : 22 September 2009 21:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By TonyB AHS and the rest, NEBOSH come from a H&S point of view. In this sphere Criminal is about punishment and civil is about compensation. However, in the bigger world some civil 'laws' can impose punishment - but only fines. Just as the Attorney General (Ms Scotland!). All the best, TonyB
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