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Posted By Chippers
My client, a Principal Contractor is using a goods hoist, with 6 landing platforms, to transport debris from a multi storey building he is stripping out. I recommended that they arrange for interlocks to be fitted to prevent the gates on each level from being opened, when the lift is away from the landing platform. This advice concurs in general, I think with the industry best practice guidance from the Construction Plant-hire Association (CPA) Construction Hoist Interest Group (CHIG). My client has advised that a recent visit from the HSE has contradicted this advice and the inspector has told him that locking the gates when the platform has moved away, is not necessary. This advice does surprise me and has the potential to undermine my support and cast doubt on my credibility. Any comments on the advice I have given?
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Posted By Easyrider290
I would say that if there is a potential for harm if someone opens the gate and steps through, then they should be locked.
Sometimes, contractors misinterpret people for some other means so I would ask him for the HSE persons details and try to contact them directly.
I have always found the HSE very helpful.
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Posted By seanc
as an ex lift engineer i am totally amazed that there are no interlocks on the landing doors, this is probably one of the most dangerous things you could do with a lift, apart from the fact you can open a door when the lift car is not there, you can also move the lift when people or goods are still being loaded.
switch off the lift immediately, it is a accident waiting to happen!!
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Chippers
If the HSE advice exists it is a safe bet that it will not be in writing. I have had the opposite advice from other inspectors when they insisted that if not interlocked, which can be a problem with goods hoists because of damage, then they must be padlocked closed with proper key issue control systems.
Bob
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson
Was the advice "witnessed" or recorded anywhere? - or is this a case of "He won't check what I've said!"
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Posted By seanc
i guarantee that the hoist should not be used under any circumstances without interlocks on the landing gates, i don't care what environment it is being used in, it is dangerous and should be switched off immediately!!
even dumbwaiter lifts have to have interlocks.
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Posted By Heather Collins
While agreeing in principle with everything the others have said - it's worth noting that the HSE Publication "H&S in Construction" covers this specifically (pages 46-47 of this document http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/hsg150.pdf ) and there is even a picture - no interlocks.
The hoist shown in the HSE Guidance is the type operated from one position at ground level where the operator has a clear view of the entire length of the hoist's travel and the guidance suggests that sliding doors on each landing are sufficient. It may be that the inspector has interpreted this literally but it may not be directly applicable to your type of hoist? Can yours be operated from any level or is it like the one in the HSE guidance?
Still seems odd to me I must admit. I note you have two "We got weird advice from HSE" threads going - presumably these were both on the same site? If so I'd certainly want to get a proper explanation from the Inspector who visited. I'm sure you know that it's not unusual for non-H&S specialists to put weird interpretation on what an enforcing officer says!
Do let us know the outcome!
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Posted By seanc
Heather i have tried to look up the site you advised to look at, but couldn't find the picture of a hoist without interlocks.
there is no problem having sliding doors, the majority of lifts have these as standard.
my concerns are that it is a 6 floor building, even if the lift is being driven remotely and the driver has full view of what is happening he will not be able to see if the doors are closed as the lift will obstruct his view, in theory he could drive the lift down while it was still being loaded.
as i have stated in my previous posting, i used to work in the lift industry and i have never come across any type of lift/hoist that did not have interlocks on every landing and lift car door.
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Posted By Heather Collins
Sean - If you go to the pdf document I linked, the picture of a three storey hoist is on page 47 and the description of the safeguards required (not including interlocks) is on page 46.
Note that I don't necessarily agree with this approach - I'm just pointing out where an HSE Inspector might be getting it from!
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Posted By GT
HSE have locked this site??
GT
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Posted By Heather Collins
GT - not sure what you mean?
If you mean the website I have linked to then it looks fine from here. It's a pdf document on the main HSE Books site - try going in that way http://books.hse.gov.uk/hse/public/home.jsf and search for publications with the ketword "construction"
If you can't access HSE Books then you need to speak to your IT people!
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Posted By Andrew W
Chippers
Refer your client to BS7212:2006 code of practice for the safe use of construction hoists.
The annex at the rear also contains guidance regarding checks to be carried out during thorough examination which includes gate interlocks. The daily and weekly checklists also contain reference to gate interlocks. If you need any further advice contact me off forum.
Andy
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Posted By peter gotch
Chippers.
Is it a goods hoist or as indicated in your title a mast climber?
Mast climbers not intended for carriage of materials as indicated in HSG150 at internet link above.
Regards, Peter
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Posted By GT
Thanks Heather
GT
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