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#1 Posted : 01 October 2009 00:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gideon This is probably not as interesting as the title suggests, but here goes….. I work for a very large organisation that is obsessed with trying to maintain zero 'reported' accidents and zero potential liability. To that end, the Company has issued directives that wherever possible we should use public transport. Now I am all in favour of taking public transport wherever reasonably practicable, for various reasons. However, in my Company many managers are interpreting our public transport policy to mean that even if the only transport options are to drive, or take a taxi, we must take a taxi. I will be the first to state that there are many safe taxi drivers out there, but on some occasions I have been driven by lunatics. Therefore, all things being equal, it is my view that it is safer for me to drive than take a taxi. So, if my manager requires me to take a taxi for a 10 mile journey from my home to a client, rather than drive myself, is it reasonable to state that this puts me at unnecessarily (moderately) higher risk (assuming I am an averagely safe driver)? If so, is it reasonable of me to refuse? Is this the sort of “conkers bonkers” approach that we should be fighting against, or should I just take the damn taxi?
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#2 Posted : 01 October 2009 01:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Packer Sounds like your employer has more money than sense! What business are you in? and have you got any vacancies?
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#3 Posted : 01 October 2009 07:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel In my opinion you would have a hard time proving your case if ever you need to - report any taxi driver that you think is as you say It can be stressful where a driver sits as the passenger next to another driver irrespective of situations
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#4 Posted : 01 October 2009 08:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp It sounds like your employer is going OTT to me. Road usage has its risks, as does public transport, it is a fact of life and other than reasonable precautions it is a matter of getting on with it. Personally, I would feel no safer using a taxi than driving myself. I cannot find an objective reason why you should not use a taxi over your own car, but then I doubt the employer can either. Ray
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#5 Posted : 01 October 2009 09:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuff4blokes It has been said on here many times that the most dangerous thing we do each day is drive, even if we work in high-hazard industries. If this is true then it may make some kind of sense to be driven by a professional driver and if a truly objective risk assessment is carried out that may well be a reasonable conclusion. That said, I too would prefer to do my own driving on UK roads! Road conditions in some other parts of the world are truly frightening to me and I just close my eyes and pray that the driver keeps me alive!
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#6 Posted : 01 October 2009 09:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Francis E S Hone Use A taxi In the UK . I am am a qualified driving instructor every time I use a taxi I practice my fault finding skills. Needless to say i only put myself at that sort of risk if i intend to consume alcohol. I have never used a taxi that i felt safe in. I have quite often asked them to slow down and stop cutting corners. They are supposed to be tested as safe drivers but my guess is most of them drive safely only once (ON THE TEST)to get the licence. To all those safe Taxi drivers that I have never met Please don't take Offence this is just my experience of Taxi drivers. Regards Frank
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#7 Posted : 01 October 2009 09:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Francis E S Hone PS I was Once A Taxi Driver Myself (A Safe One!) LOL Frank
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#8 Posted : 01 October 2009 09:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Richards You need to differentiate between TAXI drivers and PRIVATE HIRE cars. And whether your "professional driver" has had enough (or any) sleep. You should also wear your safety belt, as a lot of injuries in hire vehicle accidents are made worse by the passenger not wearing the restraints. http://www.rospa.com/roa...ivate_hire_licensing.pdf
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#9 Posted : 01 October 2009 09:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By S W Don't forget that taxi Drivers hit other cars on the road - "It could be you"!!!
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#10 Posted : 01 October 2009 10:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim I very rarely take a taxi anywhere. My wife does not drink so if we go anywhere and I drink she drives. My father in law is a retired taxi driver. He worked nights in Liverpool for many years and has loads of taxi driving experience. He drove us to the airport in May this year in our car. What a terrible journey that was, my wife was continually telling him to "brake, slow down, stop talking, and concentrate on the road ahead etc. etc. I felt ill on arrival - and felt even worse when I realised he was picking us up when we arrived back in the UK.
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#11 Posted : 01 October 2009 10:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Exdeeps Silly hat on for a moment; I can see a new RA template coming out of this "Check licence" "Ask to see insurance documents" "Inspect vehicle for dings etc" "interview driver prior to getting in the car" "recent convictions etc" Then score to evaluate whether the cab is OK But seriously, perhaps your company should consider a call off contract with a reputable taxi company with reasonable checks etc built in to the contract?
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#12 Posted : 01 October 2009 12:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By steve e ashton According to a report from the DoT (see at : http://www.orsa.org.uk/g...lated_road_accidents.pdf ) Taxi Drivers are far more likely than other 'professional' drivers to be involved in RTAs where their own poor observation or deliberate recklessness was to blame. In other words - if you are a reasonably good driver yourself, and are not reckless - then you should be safer driving your own car. (Loads of caveats here about other things being equal - properly maintained, alert, route knowledge etc etc.) But for a ten mile trip from home... I would feel much safer driving myself. I've been in four RTAs over the past ten years or so. Three of them were in taxis. Maybe it doesn't concern my employer ('cos it's not MY accident, so they don't need to be told, and it doesn't go in their stats!).... But it sure worries me! I don't think you could refuse to take a taxi -but you would be well within your rights to demand that the driver stops and lets you out as soon as he does something stupid or when the seat belt refuses to extend or to latch properly (Been there done that...). Report him to the taxi licensing authority, refuse to pay, get beaten up by the driver, and left by the side of a deserted dual carriageway, miss your client appointment... I don't think your employer would be terribly happy! Sympathies. Some employers just have rules. Others have common sense. Steve
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#13 Posted : 01 October 2009 13:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim If you are "at work" travelling in a taxi that crashes it is not your accident, however if you are injured while at work does that not become your employer's statistic?
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#14 Posted : 01 October 2009 13:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim In his experience driving taxi's my father in law had lots of accidents, mostly with green vehicles. His theory now is avoid travelling in a green car, or even wearing anything green!
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#15 Posted : 01 October 2009 13:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi It seems there are two separate issues here. One is of risk transfer of liability of the employer's "employee-driver" to either public transport or to a taxi service. This risk transfer does not necessarily mean that the alternative mode of transport is inherently safer, it simply means that the organisation has transferred it's employee-driver risk to another party in that there will not be any emplyee drivers or minimise the numbers. From purely a risk management perspective, risk tranfer is a valid risk reduction measure. The second one is of employee safety, and there cannot be prescriptive advice on this one--it depends upon the circumstances and taxi service used or the safety and reliability of public transport, which will be dependent upon the area, crime rate , time of the day it is used etc.
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#16 Posted : 01 October 2009 13:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Howells I've always been a big fan of training. Couldnt you suggest for the high mileage users an advanced driving course? Ive always thought it wrong that to be a taxi driver you need a Hackney license and no training, even though the driver is responsible for his/her passengers.
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