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#1 Posted : 01 October 2009 18:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By AJM I know this is probably a how long is a piece of string question, BUT! just out of interest on average ho much should a client expect to pay for general health and safety advice from a consultant, lets say per hour to make it easier. Also what sort of price would they charge to put a complete safey policy together for a client? Alan
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#2 Posted : 01 October 2009 19:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Blue Alan (I may know you). Prices are usually qouted per service or per day's work done for the client. For a basic policy, the key wording would already be created and some elements would need to be inserted for the client (for how often they wish a review their policy / their risk assessments, who the first aid personnel are, how often for fire drills, whether PAT or not, whether to test fire extinguishers or not, how often training will be done, staff meetings, reporting accidents, maintenance, etc, etc). I charge £650 - £800 per day / service and depends on a range of factors. If you are who I think you are, you know the script inside out and back to front, but apologies of not. B
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#3 Posted : 01 October 2009 19:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By AJM Well i dont know if you know me or not, but i am not a consultant, I was in a previous life lol, but never worked for myself so even though i have been in and around it i have never took real notice of what they charge. Looking at the prices you quoted maybe i should :) lol. Thanks anyway for your reply, i just wanted a straw poll of what people charge to give guidance to someone i know who is looking into it. Alan
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#4 Posted : 01 October 2009 20:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim If you look at INDG259 there is a template for a small company to do their own health and safety policy - free of charge. That is what I recommended to a client earlier this week. In my opinion if a company wants to pay for my services I will estimate for a hourly rate but as I can not be sure how long any job will take it is an "estimate". I try to help people to help themselves hence my advice as above. I think the client may get back to me and ask me to do the h&s policy for them but if not at least I have been honest and can sleep at night. I also advise them to do their own risk assessments but this particular client wants me to do them as he is too busy, no problem to me, I am happy to oblige. My hourly rate is usually £35.00 plus any out of pocket expenses and mileage. I have a client that pays me £447.50 for a site visit no matter where that may be. It may be hundreds of miles and involve an overnight stay or a visit 20 minutes from my home address. Two exttremes for you to consider.
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#5 Posted : 01 October 2009 20:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul I Clark Alan, I know I dont know you! I am sure of that. The IOSH good consultancy practice guide (page 13) kinda suggests £49 an hour, but read up to see how they come to this conclusion http://www.iosh.co.uk/in...fm?go=technical.guidance , but this is based upon small overheads I'm sure. My rate varies, i.e if I need a filler I would charge less for basic H&S services such as an inspection because the market is open for basic services. But if a client wants bi-spoke policies and / or procedures that causes a lot of stress and requires skills many in the market can't offer, they pay a lot more. Supply and demand. A fix sum can't work otherwise you are ripping your clients off and they are not stupid.
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#6 Posted : 02 October 2009 09:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By AHS £350 to £400 a day outside London.
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#7 Posted : 02 October 2009 09:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham I am sure I will be shot at for the following, but here goes! Could you find a solicitor who charges less than about £100 per hour? If you found one who charges only half of this would you feel confident in using them? Are we suggesting that the expertise of a health and safety specialist is worth less than that of a solicito? After all - the health and safety specialist saves lives! If we undervalue ourselves, then is it any surprise that our services are are also undervalued by the customer? Chris
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#8 Posted : 02 October 2009 09:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter F. I'd like to know, you get the work?
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#9 Posted : 02 October 2009 09:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuff4blokes Alan, a price for a policy (and associated procedures, SWP's following assessments etc) will be very dependant on the nature of the organisation. An office of solicitors will not likely need any stuff on confined spaces (even if they get their clients out of tight corners!) whilst a foundry may not need lone working or much on road risks policy and guidance. So far as rates are concerned, there has been much previous discussion on here with a wide variety of opinions and factual information being expressed. Once again, I suggest that the cost of hiring a consultant is likely to be linked to the level of expertise required. To use a legal analogy again, a QC costs significantly more than a trainee solicitor or legal assistant. My own rates are based on what I want to earn and the fixed overheads of the business, tempered somewhat by market conditions. In short, I seek more but sometimes have to accept less if I need the work! The rest is commercially confidential.
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#10 Posted : 02 October 2009 13:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brian Horrocks See the thread 'So what are you worth' on the careers pages Or should I say 'lack of careers help pages'
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#11 Posted : 05 October 2009 14:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By AJM Thanks very much for everyones help
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#12 Posted : 05 October 2009 15:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp Despite what people think they may be worth there is a market price which will dictate what they can reasonably charge. Hence there is little worth in comparing ourselves with solicitors, accountants or cleaners come to that. Following an irate client who thought my hourly rate was excessive, I was advised by a colleague not too quote an hourly rate but to price the job. However, it is sometimes difficult, if not impossible, until you know exactly what needs to be done. The bottom line is that clients do not like paying for what they generally see as no real benefit to them, particularly SMEs. I am currently working on a full-time project and hence my hourly rate is dictated to some degree by the agency that employed me and the client. For work outside that project I charge more, a 'ball park' figure would be £50 per hour. I always find it difficult to reconcile the exact hours anyway. Ray
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#13 Posted : 05 October 2009 15:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Clare Gabriel Day rate most commonly charged for GOOD quality consultant -£450 - £550 - 1/2 day £350. But recently have been phoned up and offered day rate for consultancy £150!!!! Market forces???? Fair play to the guy getting £650 to £800!!!!
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#14 Posted : 05 October 2009 19:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By C. Wright I have a friend who is a locksmith who charges £120 plus hourly charge of £28 plus any costs for a lock out (opening a locked door) he got called out on a job a while ago where the client complained about the cost, he explained the other options a) break the door which would cost at least twice that plus fitting cost if you can get a builder out at short notice, b)drill out the high security lock, if you know where to drill without mashing up the workings and making it even harder to get it open then having to call out a locksmith who will charge extra for making the job more difficult or c) pay a skilled locksmith the industry accepted rate to open the door without damaging it. paying a competent consultant is not cheap but nor are the penalties if the worst happens
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#15 Posted : 05 October 2009 19:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jean Local Government pays £2,000 + vat for a half day slot from insurance provider. I created all the documents the consultant used during his 3 1/2 hour session. This appears to be the standard rate for insurance companies to charge for their services. We have had this quoted on numerous occasions from different insurance companies. Oh and I got to sort out his the mess he made on the risk register!!! Now, Claire what do you think of that figure??? Jean
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#16 Posted : 07 October 2009 12:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By steve e ashton There have been several previous threads discussing the (sometimes vexed) question of consultancy charging rates: for one of the best see http://www.iosh.co.uk/in...iew&forum=1&thread=10908 and adjust all rates for the three year lapse. There is no one answer - as a search of these threads will confirm! Steve
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#17 Posted : 13 October 2009 15:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cliff Davis Whatever you charge a client, he always moans. The company my son works for asked me to review there H&S policy and risk assessments and his boss had a fit when i quoted him £50 an hour!!!!. The cheeky bar steward thought i would do it for free because my son worked for him!!!!.
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#18 Posted : 13 October 2009 21:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Can you say bar steward on this forum? I once had a response blocked out for using a 4 letter word with the two middle letters disguised. And it did not begin with f!
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#19 Posted : 14 October 2009 12:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cliff Davis It woulkd appear not, my post has been deleated. Bet everyone is wondering what i said now eh.
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#20 Posted : 14 October 2009 22:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Cliff, isn't it funny that your response has been deleted and mine is still in, and I used the same words as you ha ha ha
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#21 Posted : 15 October 2009 08:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cliff Davis Spoke too soon Crim, hehehe.
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#22 Posted : 15 October 2009 09:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Doh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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