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Posted By Simon Marshall
Hello
I am aware of the fact that if you have less than four employees you do not have to have a written safety policy.(including org and arrangements etc)
Does this less than 4 rule apply the recording of risk assessments as well? The HSE website section on risk assessments is a bit confusing as it says.. and i quote
"The management committee did not have a legal requirement to record the findings of this risk assessment as less than five people work. However, the management committee decided that there were sound legal and business reasons to record the findings of the risk assessment"
thanks
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Posted By Simon Marshall
btw I meant less than 5 not less 4...:)
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Posted By Peter F.
They appear to be inferring that 'best practice' would be to record the findings.
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Posted By Bob Youel
My advice is to forget this old fashioned number 'rule' as if you end up in court a claimants 'brief' will rip you apart as they will be looking for adequate management of their 1 client, they are not interested in your other workers
Look to cover your companies and employees 'backs' in all situations noting that its not hard to have a policy etc for even 1 person
The HSE, EA, LA, inland revenue, dept of pensions, customs etc expect you to have full systems irrespective of how many staff you have e.g. they expect as much for 1 person as they do for 100's
Just try telling the HSE that as you only have a few staff you do not bother with written documents and see how far you will get where somebody had been hurt
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Posted By Simon Marshall
i do agree with your comments, but isnt it the HSE who came up with this rule of no requirement for written documentaion for busineses with less than 5 people. Im not trying to start a debate as i do agree with you, im just interested to try and discover why this rule was implemented in the first place and what was the thinking behind it.
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Posted By Crim
You need to record the "main findings".
If there are no main findings could that be a "main finding"?
If nothing else just make a record that the risk assessments were done on what date, list the assessment headings etc. and have a signature and name of the person/s doing the assessemts.
See the HSE website for sample risk assessments, they are very good.
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Posted By Coshh Assessor
As far as I remember the rule is in the management regs. It seems obvious that the thinking behind it is to avoid burdening very small businesses with paperwork, which would be a predictable argument against the requirement for risk assessment.
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Posted By Bob Youel
why do we have so much trouble with SME's conforming to H&S areas when no other area gives them any leeway e.g. Tax, national insurance, environmental, social security, customs & excise [the list goes on and on] etc
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Posted By Phil Rose
Just to be sure that we are all on the right track.
The requirement to CARRY OUT RA's applies to ALL employers. The requirement to record:
1. Applies to companies with 5 or more employees
2. Is a requirement to record the SIGNIFICANT findings
My view has always been that if the employer really is interested in managing the significant risks and has genuinely gone through a process to assess the nature and severity of those risks then making a record of what they have done seems to me to be the sensible thing to do, not only to share the information but to assist in future reviews etc.
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