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#1 Posted : 15 October 2009 03:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karen Sookram
What best practice is applied for the accounting of persons following an evacuation of a high rise building located in the city, which takes place during non-working hours i.e. staff remaining after normal working hours and having to evacuate?


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#2 Posted : 15 October 2009 05:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Slater
Hi Karen,

Employees & contractors can be accounted for if you have some form of signing in/out procedure. Once you have evacuated you can carry out a role call to identify if any of these people are potentially missing.

Fire marshals can be given designated zones to evacuate, one of their responsibilities would be to carry out a final sweep of their zone prior to exiting the building. This will help to identify any persons that could be still inside.



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#3 Posted : 15 October 2009 11:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By shaun mckeever
I suppose in some ways it depends on the number of people working late and the type of security you have in the building. Normally there are not that many working late and in the city buildings tend to have 24 hour on site security. Generally staff who want to work late should advise security so that a roll call list can be drawn up, but this is really only effective for low numbers when a quick roll call can be taken.
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#4 Posted : 15 October 2009 11:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Allen
This question is about evacuation procedure out of normal office hours. In this situation most if not all your fire wardens will have gone home, the building may be inhabited by cleaners (possibly non-English speaking/reading) and security may be down to nightshift level or even non-existent. Have the cleaners ever been given a fire drill briefing for instance? Registers, whether paper, or electronic may not be readily available, let alone someone to take the “role call”. The pros and cons of signing in and out procedures have been discussed on this site ad nausea. In short, no such system is fool-proof.

Presumably the building is multi-occupancy although you do not say. There is only one action which can be taken in these circumstances and that is to carry out a drill and see what happens. Based on that you can decide what the most appropriate procedure is. There is no best practice as no too buildings are the same and no 2 individuals will always follow the same working pattern.

I have the same problem at the beginning of the day. I’m usually in within 5 minutes of the first security guard and can quite often be on my own in our office for the first half hour or more. People often work weekends as well when there is no security at all. In such circumstances all our staff have the same briefing, you are your own fire warden, raise the alarm if required, make good your escape closing doors and windows behind you, go to the assembly point.
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#5 Posted : 15 October 2009 12:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel
'out of working hours' is a difficult area to determine as when you are working you are working in your working hours irrespective of when those hours occur - any systems should be able to account for all working shifts, times etc
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#6 Posted : 16 October 2009 01:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ken Taylor
Hopefully there will be someone 'in charge' of the premises in the circumstances described.

Whilst fire marshals and room checks won't be possible, the 'bottom line' in your written procedure for this eventuality will still need to include alarm sounding and evacuation to a stated safe area (assembly point) and, hopefully, a means of notifying the fire brigade as to whether there may be unaccounted for persons present within the building.
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#7 Posted : 19 October 2009 03:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By www.hsepeople.com
Hi Karen

www.hsepeople.com has some information on this.
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