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BJC  
#1 Posted : 09 November 2009 08:20:47(UTC)
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Canopener  
#2 Posted : 09 November 2009 09:13:44(UTC)
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Canopener

Oh no, not the return of the Daliy Mail weblinks :-)
BJC  
#3 Posted : 09 November 2009 11:42:29(UTC)
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kdrum  
#4 Posted : 09 November 2009 13:21:28(UTC)
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kdrum

Don't really see how this article would make us as H&S practitioners unpopular with public as it relates to 'in the home' and the vast majority of practitioners are concerned with reducing risk in the workplace
BJC  
#5 Posted : 09 November 2009 15:11:55(UTC)
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Well presumably people may get annoyed if risk assessors aka safety consultants demand entry to their homes with the traditional totalitarian threat of "If you havent done anything wrong what have you got to hide".
sutty  
#6 Posted : 10 November 2009 13:47:34(UTC)
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kdrum wrote:
Don't really see how this article would make us as H&S practitioners unpopular with public as it relates to 'in the home' and the vast majority of practitioners are concerned with reducing risk in the workplace
so by your logic we are not concerned with reducing risk at home? I know I am.
Clairel  
#7 Posted : 10 November 2009 14:02:23(UTC)
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Clairel

Didn't read the link, really can't be bothered to read links people post. Don't be so lazy summarise the article!! Anyway, Sutty. People may be 'concerned' about safety in their own homes but as H&S Practitioners H&H in people's own homes is out of our remit. The HSWA doesn't apply there. We have enough to contend with in the workplace.
amorris  
#8 Posted : 10 November 2009 15:37:36(UTC)
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amorris

Aha Claire, What if that persons home is a workplace.... Resthomes, council sheltered accom,etc. But I take your point. BJA suggests the guidance document means forced entry to homes - I think this is overegging the campaign... If anything, it'll be like community fire safety officers - ask if you want a visit, rather than you must.
sutty  
#9 Posted : 10 November 2009 15:41:20(UTC)
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sutty

Not forgetting those who actually work from their own homes, plenty of legislations regarding DSE, Seating, lighting etc. Surley it works for those who are not working but are in the work area?
kdrum  
#10 Posted : 10 November 2009 17:10:54(UTC)
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kdrum

Sutty I did read link - why I don't know as most links from Daily mail are IMO nonsense, anyway the article was about checking smoke alarms in domestic premises it wasn't about people using homes as work premises so I rest by my comment - what has that to do with me as H&S practitioner od HSAWA
Canopener  
#11 Posted : 10 November 2009 19:23:00(UTC)
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Canopener

Against my better judgement I did read the link (hich is now broken) and wasn't surprised to see the usual Daily Mail 'spin' and nonsense. The assertion that H&S would be battering down peoples doors if they didn't let them in to do a check, said EVERYTHING.
BJC  
#12 Posted : 11 November 2009 08:37:13(UTC)
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Incredible I suggest some of the responses to this post paint a picture of Safety Professionals all to familiar with the Public.
kdrum  
#13 Posted : 11 November 2009 09:33:44(UTC)
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kdrum

Or perhaps BJA responders are too busy with keeping people in the workplace safe to bother about the type of nonsense stirred up by media to paint that picture
Canopener  
#14 Posted : 11 November 2009 10:05:33(UTC)
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BJA - it is difficult to know which rersponses/respondees you are referring to, but this particular story seemed to me to be the same old Daily Mail 'alarmist' conkers is bonkers nonsense that we have become familiar with over the years. The assertion that H&S 'inspectors' would be battering down peoples doors is frankly a nonsense
BJC  
#15 Posted : 11 November 2009 11:08:21(UTC)
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The point of the post was to show how important it is for the Govt not to enact poor legislation that shows safety in a poor light. One might say that the Public Order Act has not helped the relationship between the Police and the Public for instance another link illustrates. http://www.dailymail.co....rd-council-official.html If HSE/Fire Inspectors are given powers to force entry to peoples homes then personally I feel it would have a negative effect on our profession. After speaking to NICE they feel that any such forced entry would be part of a larger Social Services intervention however the consultation is not concluded.
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